about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".
two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.
scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.
Parakeet said: ". . .Germans placed their trust in Hitler. . ."
The nazis had a belt buckle that said, "Gott mit uns", meaning "God is with us". So Islamics, Inquisitors, Nazis and fundamentalist worshippers of American Jesus are all in the same God boat. All deities are projections of your own ego.
villabolo
come, now, you who say: today or tomorrow we will journey to this city and will spend a year there, and we will engage in business and make profits, whereas you do not know what your life will be tomorrow.
for you are a mist appearing for a little while and then disappearing.
instead, you ought to say: if jehovah wills, we shall live and also do this or that.
AllTimeJeff said: "Why would we limit spirituality to Christ or Christians? At best, 1 out of every 7 living are Christian."
Well put AllTimeJeff.
My spiritual guide, shortly after I was out of the Witnesses was Carl Sagan with his fusion of Cosmic Pantheism and Rationality.
villabolo
i find it incredible that these men who are supposed to be the best most spiritual men the witnesses have to offer, yet in the 70's 80's period one edward chitty was gay...leo greenless was a pedophile and we even had an "apostate" ray franz who turned on the organisation.
goes to show no human organisation is run perfectly.....can we expect more bumps in the "governing body road?
hope so!.
angel eyes: "but yes its good the GB remove them :)"
You should read Crisis of Conscience before you judge Ray Franz.
villabolo
about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".
two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.
scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.
Perry, concerning the challenge that you made, I was on another thread and came back here a little late. I as going to mention what leolaia said but I'm glad she beat me too it since she's more knowledgeable than I.
This reminds me of that Creationist argument about perfectly preserved woolly mammoths who somehow managed to live in a warm greenhouse world without dropping dead from heatstroke. That shaggy wool coat is the equivalent of you wearing a parka and taking a jog through a dessert.
I am disturbed, though not surprised, at your statement about reading only one book and disparaging the rest. Never mind the arrogance of seeking ignorance for yourself the logical consequences are that you should have nothing to contribute to the argument if you don't know what the other side is saying. If you don't read the books why do you listen to us "liars"? In fact your statement is an echo of the JW position about not reading anything it does not publish.
villabolo
about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".
two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.
scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.
Perry, before you make any judgmental accusations against others why don't you get the book I recommended and see what evolutionary scientists are saying without the Creationist filters? It seems (what's new in this world) that you buy into every claim made by people who don't even have the desire, let alone discipline and scientific education, to see the world as it is.
As far as that Creationist cliche that we all start out with the same information but interpret it differently (With yours being the accurate interpretation) that also applies to the Bible and the hundreds of sects that interpret it differently. But the rational way of interpreting either the Bible or nature is the scientific way.
villabolo
under the study article " you are my friends " ( indicating jesus naturally by his quote ) the wt society makes it very clear that the only way to be jesus friend is to come through them or else you won't be approved by jesus or god.
translation : friendship with jesus = treating the " faithful slave " kindly = jesus approving you.
our jw relatives will be studying this in december at their meetings.. under the subheading on pg.
Concerning the legacy issue the following comes to mind :
9 And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe [c] your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' [d] and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' [e] 11 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that. (Mark 7:9-13; NIV)
I have a feeling that the elders are going to be visiting sister elderly at the nursing home with some documents to sign.
villabolo
about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".
two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.
scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.
Perry, the dinosaur/giant human footprints is an old misinterpretation by Creationists. The footprints were left by a particular species of dinosaur that was stepping in mud at different angles and different states of hardening. If the terrain was flat it would leave an imprint of its foot and three toes in the mud obviously identifying it as a dinosaur. But if it walking at a downward incline the three toes would arch upwards not leaving an imprint which would allow someone with imagination to interpret the footprint as humanoid and giant. Imagination bows down to reason as you realize that the human foot should leave five toe prints which you would not find in the fossilized field.
All of this information can be found in the book Science and Earth History by Arthur Strahler which is dedicated to answering almost every Creationist claim. The section on the footprints even contains diagrams of those dinosaur prints. I strongly recommend that book to anyone who wants to see both sides.
As to an asteroid or comet striking the earth and causing a flood like that described in the Bible there would be a totally different kind of flooding than described in the Genesis account. Such a tsunami may perhaps sweep over the earth (if the comet is large enough) but it would rush right back into the ocean basin in far less time than the Genesis account states. It would also come on with such strength that it would shatter human artifacts like the ark into pure kindling. The Bible makes the flood come on more gently than that. Also the Bible says that the waters dissipated because of a wind, that's not a how a tsunami works.
villabolo
what wih baby p stepfather..
For those who don't have a clue as to who or what Baby P Stepfather is would you care to elaborate?
i don't know if anyone else has posted about this, but at tonight's meeting it was announced there are two new leaflets one dealing with how to leave a legacy for the worldwide work and the other on how to make tax effective contributions?.
this maybe for the uk only but i thought it showed that they really are focussing on filling up the depleted coffers..
cantleave said: . . .there are two new leaflets one dealing with how to leave a legacy for the world wide work. . .
Scripture says about the Pharisees:
9 And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe [c] your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' [d] and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' [e] 11 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." (Mark 7:9-13)
villabolo
5 euros thats how much old jw books are being sold for in my local second hand book shop.
they are pre 80's and 70's books, some have been underlined and srciptures wrtten in the margin in typical jw style.
i should point out that when i pulled them down off the bookcase they were topped with a generous amount of dust, so i imagine they have been there some time.. so what is the going rate for old jw books these days?.
At the second hand stores in the USA that I've been to, the 20 to 30 year old books would sell as cheaply as 1 dollar. Also the book store owners have told me on several occassions that the elders would occasionaly come and buy all the old books and replace them with new ones. I oncce got a Paradise book for a dollar.
villabolo
