"I don't know yet" does not require a label.
Polarized thinking.
trebor
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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?
by BU2B ini enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.
i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.
it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.
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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?
by BU2B ini enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.
i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.
it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.
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I have lost count how often people have said words to the effect that since it can't be proven whether or not god exists agnosticism is the only option and debate is pointless.
Hey cofty, something we agree on. Debate is never pointless on this matter. I think debate about it is healthy and actually helps a person to make a decision where they currently stand on the matter.
I am not reinventing the definition of a word - I posted evidence of what the person who invented the word actaully meant by it.
You did. However, you originally stated the word was meaningless; not that it lost its original meaning. I agree the word lost its original meaning. The word is still not meaningless.
Take a few minutes to read what people write. Especially when they make the effort to express themselves succinctly.
We agree, yet again
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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?
by BU2B ini enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.
i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.
it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.
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No its not odd at all that somebody hasn't decided. Its odd that we honour that state with a label so that it becomes a virtue to proceed no further.
I'll have to respectfully disagree again.
For one that has done the research and investigating it’s another way of saying that there is not enough evidence for either position to stand on solid ground definitely. After more evidence and data has been obtained and holes to be covered for either or both sides of the argument, this is the current line of thinking for an individual.
Certainly [additional] evidence or data may be gathered by another which leads to a different conclusion – Be it atheists or theist whether now or in the future.
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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?
by BU2B ini enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.
i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.
it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.
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It just seems odd having a label that to most people just means "I haven't decided".
It is odd to polarized thinkers.
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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?
by BU2B ini enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.
i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.
it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.
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The word agnostic is just a truism that tells us nothing.
It tells the opinion, belief, thought of a person respecting god/gods/higher being(s) or entity/entities. How much research, investigation, and study went into that position, is a different matter.
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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?
by BU2B ini enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.
i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.
it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.
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The word has lost its meaning.
People who haven't done the necessary work to investigate the evidence use it as an excuse.
I'll respectfully disagree. I've done plenty of research and investigating, and I find that word to be a very accurate way to depict someone's position on the matter.
Someone could very well state that a person who claims agnostic has lost its meaning and that it is an excuse for people who haven't done the necessary work to investigate the evidence has a cognitive distortion known as polarized thinking.
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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?
by BU2B ini enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.
i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.
it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.
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Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?
by BU2B ini enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.
i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.
it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.
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trebor
So BU2B, you're agnostic...The only intellectually honest position to take
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Conditional friendship based on the allegiance to a man-made organization is not a real or healthy friendship.
If dishonesty drives you mad, you will be lying to yourself thinking you have real friends by making 'insta-friends' via Watchtower (or is it JW.ORG) membership.
Laika, glad to read you just needed a thread to validated your choices.
My mother, brother, sisters, their significant others as well as most of my extended family have not spoken to me or my wife and have never met or asked about my almost 3 year old son, or pup since leaving the Watchtower Bible Tract Soceity over five and half years ago. I obviously lost most of my family and all my friends after being a part since birth and for decades.
Yet, I would never-ever, consider being a part of Jehovah's Witnesses again. My ethics and morales would not allow me to stoop so low and be a part of their hypocrisy and blood-guilt:
-How many children have died from the no blood Watchtower stance?
-How long were women told they are worthy of ever-lasting destruction and fornicators if they did not cry out when being raped?
-How many years was accepting organ transplants equal to being cannibalistic?
-How many were told not to pursue a career in this dying 'system of things' nearly half a century ago?
-How many people died in Africa for refusal of a political card, while men in Mexico were giving the ok?
-How many were disfellowshipped for not toeing the line, while the Watchtower Society was a NGO member of the United Nations, riding the 'Wild Beast'?
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Ignoring the above to have a conditional, turn on you faster than a flip of a switch, "friend" or "friends" is not worth it in any shape or form.
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Anyone Celebrating Halloween this Year???
by cognac ini started yesterday.
took the kids (they were both princesses) and my nephew to 3 different events.
got tons of candy and the kids had a blast.. .
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Stand for Pure Worship, it is amazing how the Watchtower will take a stand on how bad the origins are for some things, while others...
http://savedfromthewatchtower.blogspot.com/2009/06/pinatas-harmless-fun.html
...it's just "harmless fun". There is always an angle of why the Society is down playing or making a big stink about something.
Jehovah's Witnesses are instructed through the Awake! to view pinatas the following way from September 22, 2003, Awake!, page 24, 'The Piñata - An Ancient Tradition':
"We found that for many people in Mexico, the piñata has lost its religious significance and is considered by most to be just harmless fun...A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues."
Despite the above from Jehovah's organization, Piñatas are steeped with both pagan and religious ties. Why and how are Piñatas "harmless fun", but Halloween is unacceptable for Jehovah's Witnesses?