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  A former CO elder wants to speak with me. What do you guys make of this?

  by Piercingtheveil81 in

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  a former co elder visited my grandmother, who studied years ago with jws, and said he wanted to speak with me.

  i da'd myself about two years ago from the org after 11 years.

  i was an ms and pioneer for 8 years and the whole bit.

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  Sherah, My grandmother is not a witness so it can't be influenced by her. She is not religious.

  Freetosee, Its actually him and his wife that want to meet my wife. He said they would stop by on saturday to meet her. A little strange.....huh?

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  A former CO elder wants to speak with me. What do you guys make of this?

  by Piercingtheveil81 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a former co elder visited my grandmother, who studied years ago with jws, and said he wanted to speak with me.

  i da'd myself about two years ago from the org after 11 years.

  i was an ms and pioneer for 8 years and the whole bit.

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  Thanks for the comments.

  I was also wondering if they were trying to learn more about my wifes feelings. I was also thinking what the heck, why not. I'm definitely not trying to get reinstated for sure. I practice a different religion now.

  brotherdan, No I didn't name myself after the band "Pierce the Veil". Although I used to listen to them and even seen them live as "Before Today". I got the idea from the concept of piercing the veil of ignorance to see the truth.

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  A former CO elder wants to speak with me. What do you guys make of this?

  by Piercingtheveil81 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a former co elder visited my grandmother, who studied years ago with jws, and said he wanted to speak with me.

  i da'd myself about two years ago from the org after 11 years.

  i was an ms and pioneer for 8 years and the whole bit.

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  A former CO elder visited my grandmother, who studied years ago with JWs, and said he wanted to speak with me. I DA'd myself about two years ago from the org after 11 years. I was an MS and pioneer for 8 years and the whole bit. He is quite knowledgeable and was always nice to my family.

  Anyway, he left his house and cell number and told my grandmother to tell me to call him so "we can speak about my doubts or any unanswered questions"

  What do you guys make of it? They also want to meet my wife who is still going meetings.

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  Paul, leading authority on Christianity, does NOT quote Jesus!

  by Terry in

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  paul's letters practically invent christianity.. the gospels trickled in after him.. paul never walked with jesus and yet explains him.. never a quote from the master at all.. yet, paul is such a maven.. if jesus couldn't be bothered to actually reveal what he was all about to his apostles with whom he ate, drank, spoke and slept---why this persecutor, saul?.

  the apostles heard every word jesus spoke and were willing to die for him.. paul didn't--yet--miraculously explained every detail of the entire history of god's purpose including his messiah.. .

  can anybody provide a non-gimmick answer?.

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  jay88, you make an interesting point. Paul was like a russell or rutherford in his interpretation of old testament writings. It is clear in his own writings that people were definitely challenging his position and teaching such as in Galatians. He even went so far as to say that no man had taught but recieved his teaching directly from Christ.

  He even said that if anyone accepted another gospel or brought another, they would be accursed. Its kinda like the organization saying that if anyone accepts another teaching not from them it is apostasy and the person will be accursed.

  I would recommend reading " Jesus' Words Only or Was Paul the Apostle Jesus Condemns in Revelation 2:2" by Douglas del Tondo. The Pdf is available to be read for free at http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/JWO/freechaptersonline.html. If anyone reads it let us know what you thought. It covers not only biblical but also non-canonical and historical sources to dig into Paul's history and his errors in issues with regards to the jewish Law and with the other apostles, namely the Jerusalem council.

  Robert Eisenman has some good reads on this subject as well.

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  Paul, leading authority on Christianity, does NOT quote Jesus!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  paul's letters practically invent christianity.. the gospels trickled in after him.. paul never walked with jesus and yet explains him.. never a quote from the master at all.. yet, paul is such a maven.. if jesus couldn't be bothered to actually reveal what he was all about to his apostles with whom he ate, drank, spoke and slept---why this persecutor, saul?.

  the apostles heard every word jesus spoke and were willing to die for him.. paul didn't--yet--miraculously explained every detail of the entire history of god's purpose including his messiah.. .

  can anybody provide a non-gimmick answer?.

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  jay88, you make an interesting point. Paul was like a russell or rutherford in his interpretation of old testament writings. It is clear in his own writings that people were definitely challenging his position and teaching such as in Galatians. He even went so far as to say that no man had taught but recieved his teaching directly from Christ.

  He even said that if anyone accepted another gospel or brought another, they would be accursed. Its kinda like the organization saying that if anyone accepts another teaching not from them it is apostasy and the person will be accursed.

  I would recommend reading " Jesus' Words Only or Was Paul the Apostle Jesus Condemns in Revelation 2:2" by Douglas del Tondo. The Pdf is available to be read for free at http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/JWO/freechaptersonline.html. If anyone reads it let us know what you thought. It covers not only biblical but also non-canonical and historical sources to dig into Paul's history and his errors in issues with regards to the jewish Law and with the other apostles, namely the Jerusalem council.

  Robert Eisenman has some good reads on this subject as well.

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  Would The Witnesses Be Happy To See You Come Back to The Kingdom Hall?

  by minimus in

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  would you get a huge response if you ever went back to the hall?.

  would nobody care?

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  In all honesty, I actually think they would like to see me back. I didn't leave on bad terms and I had good relations with everyone. I just didn't believe the same. I left pretty abrupt and didn't inform anyone of leaving, accept my family a few days before turning in my letter of DA. PVT81
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  Twas the night before Ramadan

  by TweetieBird in

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  "twas the night before ramadan" .

  by mullah mohammed omar.

  twas the night before ramadan, and all through the cave.

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  The upholding of Islamic principles and law including its regulations and punishments as opposed to man made law. The problem with the taliban is that they enforce them at times in extreme ways. I will admit that democracy is not compatible with Islamic Law.
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  Twas the night before Ramadan

  by TweetieBird in

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  "twas the night before ramadan" .

  by mullah mohammed omar.

  twas the night before ramadan, and all through the cave.

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  ‎"So patiently persevere: for verily the promise of Allah is true: nor let those shake thy firmness, who have (themselves) no certainty of faith." Al-Qur'an 30:60

  "Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Quran), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper. " Al-Quran 2:120

  While certainly don't agree with the ideaology of Osama bin Laden or some of the practices of the taliban, I find this post to be a little offensive.

  What this post as well as material all over the internet and media show is the fear that is creeping into western society regarding the expansion of Islam. The Islamic revival is happenening and it will enter into every house even though people hate it. That is a promise from the Creator.

  "They want to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it)."

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  HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

  i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

  they've already agreed to show up.

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  SweetBabyCheezits, are you from San Diego? I was in east county area and DA'd over a year and a half ago.

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  3 Things You Should Know About Islam

  by onemore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....watch the video, what if we were to substitute the word islam (in the video) for watchtowerism.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcbptzalqfy.

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  Quillsky, I'd like to thank you for some of your comments and shared information about this subject.

  I'm am an Ex-JW who converted to Islam a year and a half ago. I have to say that while some things are true there is quite a bit that is untrue. I certainly don't deny some horrible things have happened to muslim women at the hands of other muslims, but it certainly isn't based upon Shari'a Law. The problem is that many many Muslims are very ignorant concerning it and its application.

  What many people seem to ignore is that the Prophet, peace be upon him, actually greatly improved women's status in comparison to pre-Islamic times. He united the arab tribes and ended ignorant tribalism, stopped unjust interest and extortion among other things.

  Maybe someday I'll share my story of how I came to Islam if I could just get the time.