Posts by PanzerZauberei

I think he existed, mainly because Jesus referred to him at Luke 17:26-27. I know some will say that there is no proof of Jesus existing, so anything He is supposed to have said is null and void. LOL It's a never ending game of chasing my own tail I think.

Lorenzo aka Tired of the Hypocrisy

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Changes to the Kingdom Interlinear

by PanzerZauberei in

in the 1969 kit the society used a book by bible scholar justus lipsius as source material for their upright stake "stauros" doctrine of the death of christ.

they used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it.

then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from lipsius.

PanzerZauberei

In the 1969 KIT the society used a book by Bible scholar Justus Lipsius as source material for their upright stake "Stauros" doctrine of the death of Christ. They used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it. Then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from Lipsius. This implies that Lipsius actually backed their teaching. The thing is that Lipsius had many, many illustrations of various methods and implements of crucifixion. They didn't show all of them, just that one. Also, if you read his writings, Lipsius taught that Jesus was actually crucified on a cross. So, they were using dishonest means to get people to believe that Justus Lipsius supported an anti-cross teaching.

Well, Christian groups fell on the society like a thousand of brick. They called them on their lie and so the society had to change things. But how do they make a change to keep from being sued while still maintaining a false teaching? Easy, they make an updated KIT in 1985 and remove ALL references to Lipsius' work. All they really use is that same image of a man impaled on an upright stake with no reference to its source. They also never made the information about their shenanigans available to the rank and file jw's. They never counted on people actually ignoring their command to not delve into their past I guess. So, here I have to share with you all is some scans I have from BOTH KITs and several of Lipsius' illustrations. They are graphic so if you are squeamish I advise against looking at them.

Enjoy!

Lorenzo

http://s429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/Watchtower_Facts/Justus%20Lipsius/

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NWT & KIT Prove Jesus IS Jehovah!

by PanzerZauberei in

i have not seen this discussed here before so i thought i would share it with the group.

romans 10:9 proves that jesus is jehovah.in the jw's kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures they went to great effort to show that the tetragrammaton was supposed to be in the greek texts.

so, every time the name jehovah appears they show a footnote directing the reader to see how ky'ri*os applies always to jehovah in one or more of their j documents.

PanzerZauberei

Man, I didn't want tostart all this. I was just pointing out that you can use the society's own materials to defeat their polluted doctrines.

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Hello

by thomas15 in

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friends

i'm not now, nor have i ever been a jw.

i do have and interest in the jws though.

for the past many months i have been reading this board and it's predicessor and when membership was opened i jumped right in.

PanzerZauberei

Welcome.

I am looking forward to more from you, Tom.

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Tell Me Something Positive & Negative About Yourself

by minimus in

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friends

i'll start: positive, a very quick sense of humor and quick wit.

negative: i can be very cutting with my words if i want to be.

(i work on this)..

PanzerZauberei

Positive: I am a loving person

Negative: I have a very ugly temper

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Using the bible, can you show proof of the date 1914?

by Quirky1 in

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friends

well?

i need proof....

PanzerZauberei

I have some scans from the Harp of God showing their original 1874 Christ's presence. And one from the Way To Paradise showing their 1925 Resurrection lie. Here is my slideshow on false Prophesies from the Watch Dollar Society. (It's a work in progress.)

http://s429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/Watchtower_Facts/?action=view¤t=255c2aec.pbw

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NWT & KIT Prove Jesus IS Jehovah!

by PanzerZauberei in

i have not seen this discussed here before so i thought i would share it with the group.

romans 10:9 proves that jesus is jehovah.in the jw's kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures they went to great effort to show that the tetragrammaton was supposed to be in the greek texts.

so, every time the name jehovah appears they show a footnote directing the reader to see how ky'ri*os applies always to jehovah in one or more of their j documents.

PanzerZauberei

"The 1969 KIT is possibly one of the most incriminating books ever printed by the WTS! I have just got my hands on a copy - at great cost lol!

Is this the one you're discussing or have they produced an updated version since?

Ever looked at Hebrews chapter 1 in there?"

Hi Sad Emo, there is also the updated one from 1985 where they had to revise the quotes from Justus Lipsius' book and admit that he actually confirmed the cross and not the stake was how Jesus died. Of course they never told anyone about the revision...

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NWT & KIT Prove Jesus IS Jehovah!

by PanzerZauberei in

i have not seen this discussed here before so i thought i would share it with the group.

romans 10:9 proves that jesus is jehovah.in the jw's kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures they went to great effort to show that the tetragrammaton was supposed to be in the greek texts.

so, every time the name jehovah appears they show a footnote directing the reader to see how ky'ri*os applies always to jehovah in one or more of their j documents.

PanzerZauberei

I was speaking from the standpoint of using the Watchtower's NWT and KIT Bibles.