But, they can dance!
gubberningbody
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According to the watchtower, it looks like we have a disability.
by man in black ini have heard quite a bit about the july 15th watchtower magazine on this sie.
so i went and downloaded it and read several of the articles.. page 16 paragraph 6 states : "well, apostates are mentally diseased,and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings".
how horrible, they seem to know sooo much about menal health !.
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Richard Debate
by d inman richard dawkins is a breath of fresh air to me.relgion is a plaque onto the world and needs to be seriously destroyed.we need more like minded people like richard dawkins.religion is primative and man made.
i hope that in the future religion dies off completely because in a sense religion is literally killing us.it is a cancer on the world.. http://youtu.be/_-s1lansswa.
http://youtu.be/wfe4iub9ntk.
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gubberningbody
Actually Dawkins is simply the mirror image of a religious fundamentalist.
His fascination with religion is odd for someone who wrote the book on sociobiology with his work "The Selfish Gene".
You'd think he'd realize that consciousness of the futility of existence, the recognition that the end of life is nothing more than differential reproduction is anthithetical to increased rates of differential reproduction.
By his own intellectual 'cubit', religion performs an evolutionary function insofar as it prevents otherwise intelligent people from quitting the reproductive game.
People really should, and would 'visualize a celibate planet' if they drank his brand of koolaid.
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more Jan 15 Study WT: I caught you looking at porn! You better tell the elders!
by baltar447 inso we've seen flipper's thread discussing the jan 15th wt.
well in the article following the one discussed in that thread, you have discussion about turning in your friends.
apparently now they aren't content to turn in for "gross sin".
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gubberningbody
When will this organization just go away?
We had two suicides in my hall because of this.
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I feel like I found me again
by gubberningbody ini'm sure others have had the same experience, but it's a bit odd to me now as i see how all the business of jw-land and the constant social proddings can keep a person from leaving for quite some time.. if it hadn't been for the inquisition i might not have left.. .
i'm glad they felt my wife and i were important enough to hound, because that helped immensely.. now for the past two years now i've finally gotten back to being the book-consuming, thinking-machine i was in the past.. .
i feel like i woke up, came home and found myself sitting in a chair reading some odd sort of esoterica and the me that was there said:.
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gubberningbody
I'm sure others have had the same experience, but it's a bit odd to me now as I see how all the business of JW-land and the constant social proddings can keep a person from leaving for quite some time.
If it hadn't been for the inquisition I might not have left.
I'm glad they felt my wife and I were important enough to hound, because that helped immensely.
Now for the past two years now I've finally gotten back to being the book-consuming, thinking-machine I was in the past.
I feel like I woke up, came home and found myself sitting in a chair reading some odd sort of esoterica and the me that was there said:
"We wondered when you'd finally get here. We've got lots to do and think about."
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A few questions for lurking active elders, former elders & MS
by onemore inhere they go.... 1) let say that you were a sincere believer of the watchtower, and fallowed the gbs direction because you truly believed that they were guided by the holy spirit.
what information or action would have made you doubt the validity & authority of the governing body?
2) what type of information would have made you reconsider your position as an executioner of the gb rules & regulations?
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gubberningbody
1) Let say that you were a sincere believer of the Watchtower, and fallowed the GB’s direction because you truly believed that they were guided by the Holy Spirit. What information would have made you doubt the validity & authority of the Governing Body?
* I never followed them because of anything they claimed about themselves, I merely looked at them as convenient tools for the Almighty. Now I realize they were just tools.(I mean "tools" in the common street vernacular.) I always looked askance at any idolatry of that sort and considered it just a sampling of human frailty to feel that any man or group of men were important. I only "followed" what I believed at the time to be things which were biblical.
2) What type of information would have made you reconsider your position as an executioner of the GB rules & regulations?
* It was two things and these began to grow into more than these two things.
1. They ran out of things to say on the Bible and so I began to read what others had to say. During meeting parts I didn't conduct, I either analysed the talks in terms of my role as the TMS school overseer, or I listened to others to amuse myself, or I simply read the Bible using my notebook to pretend to pay attention, but instead I was taking notes on odd things I'd read in the Bible that I wanted to find out more about.
2. The organization began to become even more idolatrous with regard to the GB than they ever had and almost every meeting was filled with shrill protestations of the sort which screamed "we're important! we're in charge!". The yes-men elders around me who usually had nothing had no interest in anything the Bible had to say seemed to be more and more interested in micromanaging the conscience of the congregation members, and this to the point of harassment.
3) As an active elder, was there anything that would have made you believed that the GB has been corrupted and perhaps infiltrated by Satan?
* Not that, but it had become clear to me that they were more concerned about "their place, and their nation" than with the good news of the kingdom and that instead of admitting fallibility they blamed everyone but themselves.
4) Let say you had some serious doubts and experiencing a “crisis of conscience”, if you knew that there would be no retaliation such as getting dissfellowshipped; would you have mastered the courage to speak up and search for the truth?
*There is always retaliation and this isn't restricted to the JW's, but is an element present in every collective human activity. I have always spoken up and I finally said my last words by resigning as an elder and then simply stopped going without word or notice or conversation of any kind.
I wanted them to think and I knew the best way would be for me to allow their minds to simply wonder what it was that made a pioneer elder who'd pioneered for 15 years and served as an elder/servant for 25 years to simply leave.
5) If you knew the implications of being an “independent agent”, would you have resigned or stopped fallowing all of the GB’s orders?
* The folly is thinking you are ever NOT an "independent agent".
One thing I do believe they have right and I thank them for that is this:
They always said...
"You have to make the truth your own."
I have and it is. The people who stay will stay as long as they don't heed their own advice.
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A video explaining why JW's will lie at the door and to each other, though bored out of their gourds
by gubberningbody inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=korgk0ygido.
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Did you ever have "faith" in the sense that emotion-based religions promote and rely on?
by gubberningbody ini didn't.. when i was a jw i thought i had all the facts and that it might be difficult to see the truth, but if one were to spend the time he or she would be able to see it.
i thought that only laziness, lack of interest in truth, lack of time due to pressing physical needs, or lack of basic native intelligence was a barrier to my sort of "faith".
i used to liken it to learning physics, calculus or organic chemistry.
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gubberningbody
I didn't.
When I was a JW I thought I had all the facts and that it might be difficult to see the TRUTH, but if one were to spend the time he or she would be able to see it. I thought that only laziness, lack of interest in TRUTH, lack of time due to pressing physical needs, or lack of basic native intelligence was a barrier to my sort of "faith".
I used to liken it to learning physics, calculus or organic chemistry. Sure it might be hard initially, but if you kept on studying you'd "get it".
Now I realize I had excluded, or had excluded from me the real data and that my desires overrode my judgment of what the TRUTH was.
What prompted this thread is my continually seeing that many EX-JW's simply trade one convenient TRUTH for another
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I can't really seek professional help. Any self-help suggestions for depression?
by easyreader1970 ini really don't have the time or the finances for a professional psychiatrist.
i know i am depressed and i know why.
the problem, as i have said before in one or two other threads, is that the solution won't really change my depression and may, in fact, make it worse.. so i am resigned to being depressed but would like to know if there are some coping techniques or other suggestions.
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gubberningbody
1. Eat right
2. Sleep at least 8 hours a day.
3. Get some cardiovascular exercise. Go for long walks.
4. Get some magazines and make up some collages of happy scenes - scenes you enjoy
5. With regard to #4 make up a story-board of your "Best Day" and then see how you can approximate this.
6. Help someone else.
7. Recognize that you can't ratchet yourself to higher and higher levels of happiness. Our biology is such that accommodation sets in.
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Even God can't escape the Matrix
by gubberningbody inthe only thing god can know for certain, is what we know for certain:.
we think, so we know we exist.. .
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gubberningbody
bohm,
I'm not doing anything at all complicated with regard to any possible God.
My point is quite simple and I'm certain that what's uncomfortable with this point.