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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

awaretoday

Bix Tex

You are right on the Catholic victims not beign excomunicated and the witness ones being left to fend for themselves. It is a shame but when my friend was molested an it came out, I and many others were supportive and helped during the aftermat of the ordeal. The people in the organization are good honest and sometimes gullible people, I an the other hand having been raised a witness am not gullible to anything or anyone I have seen way too much. That's why I feel a sense of responsibility to pin point the abusers and deal with them and not against the entire collective which might still include victims whose only support is still the honest dubs inside, forget about the GB. they are so far gonne that they probably are just puppets themselves because of liability issues.

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

awaretoday

My brother and i have talked, he is an elder and he feels the obligation to give to Cesar his crime perpetrators first before calling Bethel, it is just the interpretation of a letter after all. A crime is not within the JWS's jurisdiction to process, he wouldn't call the WTS by doing so he woul appear to need guidance and subjected to WTS direction to investigate first instead of calling the police first.

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

awaretoday

No I am not an elder but faced with the dilema of letting an innocent victim be demonized for stating acusations against a perp I would start by dissenting.

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

awaretoday

Big Tex I am sorry for your hardship we all carry scars from belonging to a kingdom hall with elders too coward to do the right thing. If I was an elder like some of us still are in this forum, I would ignore policies and go to the police and write and make phone calls at the local level and continue to act dumb until something was done (they say its easier to ask for forgiveness that permission). It is so sad that so manny instances of molestation go untold and undocumented that by the time it has come so far that victims have suffered severe emotional trauma and fade in their sadness and the outcome has been suicide. I would urge anyone who is still an elder don't just sit there do something now, who cares if you get D'fd you can continue attending meetings until you get reinstated get your family and friends back but you know and they know you are no coward. This topic is soo painful especially when you know innocent lives were lost. I remember one magazine talked about not forgiving those that molested you and that would be ok with Jehovah, so one way to not forget is to seek justice.

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

awaretoday

Reniia

Don't stop posting or reading because others are too thin skinned to listen to your point of view. There should always be a balance of thoughts and ideas even if those don't agree with out own but it does promote intellectual growth and a healthy exercize in dialogue and discussion. At the end of the day no matter how hot an argument gets we all go home and focus on our families and very seldom do anything to help the establishment. But if we feel motivated to action then that's the beauty in these types of forums and Simon was correct in stating that we should focus on the victims and see them through not concentrate on an organization that hurts and damages the innocent. We should all get our energy in the right place and rise above the pain.

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

awaretoday

Jeff I don't need you to appreciate my freedom of speech I shall always have it and will use it. I agree that the JWS GB has policies not freindly to victims so then Jeff why don't you use your freedom of speech and all your energy to expose them in a large forum instead of here. I believe that will help a large number of victims and possibly change some policies up at the farm or wherever the jws headquarters ends up and maybe nationwide.

I, being familiar with the topic have to note that some of the abuse comes directly from family members so why not blame the other parent for not going to the police? Heck my best friend was molested and so where her sisters and brother and their mother did nothing so what happened there? What about uncles and brothers, why aren't the cops being told? The molestation has usually come from family members first then second instance is a family friend and third is by someone with authority. My problem is why wait for the JW policies to protect you, hell protect yourself and your own. Why would anyone expect a religion or a cult to stand up for your rights? I understand this is a worldwide problem and even if the JWS went away, there would still be molestations and not enough resources to bring the molesters to justice, it is rampant beyond control.

As far as I have researched molestation has occurred through the ages and it crosses all cultural, socioeconomic and academic boundaries so to focus on one organizations lack of protective policies is rather myopic, a mental refractive defect. Geez my catholic family has dealt with so many issues with horny priests and altar boys and yet again nothing is done unless it is massive.

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

awaretoday

They way everyone ganged up on Reinaa is deplorable! This is a forum to post opinions not be part of a club right? At least that's what I eveidenced from those not posturing themselves as perfect. If we are so intolerable then we are still symptomatic of the JW brainwash. I agree with everyones account of the molestation issue but the entire JW R&R is not guilty of molestation. Yes there are 27K well then why not attack those? and what about the person that willingly admitted to his daliance with a 9 year old? Just cause he confessed he gets better treatment that Reinai, Here is is quote:

Wow. This place really makes me open up. I was one of the molesters. I have never said or typed that before. I guess i should say thank you. It feels good in someway. In my own defense, it was not an adult with a kid and no actual penetration occured. Still, I was a big 12 year old, she was nine. Lot's of touching and sucking involved. This happened with two others, just not more than once as with her. Don't know why I am typing this. If some lurker's have these feeling's or are doing these things or suspect's someone of doing it, it's not worth it in anyway. The guilt I have for what became of that girl has haunted me my entire life. I don't have children out of fear of even having the thought. I have no idea how her life was effected, can't imagine it being good, she was subjected to large quanities of guilt afterward's. While i remember some of their names, i have no idea what their last names are. I wish i could send them and i'm sorry letter. I rode by the grandparent's house some years ago to say i was sorry, it was obvious they had moved. What's sad is all i can focus on while typing this is my constant use of "I", this post is about me. That child's life is not about "I", it's about him/her. Leave it that way. That religion is not healthy in any way.

He admits to being one of the molesters, well then turn yourself in! It happened more than one with various others and he doesn't state what ages. He also states that"While I remember some of their names" well was it then more than four?, and you don't remember their names? that sounds like a habitual practice to me and yet people are so sympathetic to this person just cause he comes out and admits it here? Could it be our sense of justice is way off. Blame the pedophiles not the world and the victims. It doesn't make sense to lay out all the hatred for the JWS on Reinaa either, lets take the high road and start writting our politicians or other activist organizations and vent there! Ostracising Reina just makes us all look like petty kindergardners. Lets just read be reasonable and move towards proactive measures. By attacking one person we cannot reasonably demonstrate our sorrow for the victims that would be and is so stupid and irrational. The pain and anguish of a victim will not go away by showing another human being antagonistic behavior it will just bring on those horrible memories of overpowering and violence in the name of love. Vent and rant but keep the hatred accurately targeted or else it just keeps the cycle of anger going.

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Elder says that there're apostates who are organized in Spain

by cattails in

an elder said that there are apostates organized in spain to make the sale of the spanish branch money go to the congregations that provided the funds.

he has photos of the place from an email and had heard this from a circuit overseer who just visited there.

has anyone heard confirmation of this?.

awaretoday

From my conversation they said nine perhaps more later but none of the branch big wigs. I was stunned to hear the the bethelites were elated about the news and so very excited to leave, my first response was to feel sorry for them but was told that they were really looking forward to this opportunity. OK whatever! It must hurt when you have just been rejected by what you knew as Mother Organization to whom you sacrificed so much to the point of poverty, this is just incredible to me.

Thanks for the welcome, I have been a reader for a while because so much is beginning to fall into place . Hurtful and doubtful news have emotionally compromised me and what used to be apostate noise is now insightful information to sever my dependency in the personal orientation of the aging GB. I now have allowed others opinions and experiences to be real to me and respect their them for their sacrifice and painat now having anything to show for an entire life of existence and a family that shuns them without mercy. When will this nonesense ever end?

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Elder says that there're apostates who are organized in Spain

by cattails in

an elder said that there are apostates organized in spain to make the sale of the spanish branch money go to the congregations that provided the funds.

he has photos of the place from an email and had heard this from a circuit overseer who just visited there.

has anyone heard confirmation of this?.

awaretoday

Got a text message today stating that the WTS will no longer work on Saturdays because the end is so near now. The focus will be on the preaching work more so now that ever.

It seems to me this would be related to the problems in Spain and the WTS not wanting to pay pensions. In the US there might be some legal implications in regards to Labor laws for those working longer than 40 hours and if someone is doing work for you that is clearly not a consultant on a contractor then by all means that person is an employee and it has some rights like workers comp. It could also be that someone has threatened to sue them and now the WTS is putting a spiritual spin on their nototiously pharisaic and materialistic actions when it comes to compensation or treatment of their older population. I also heard more bethelites will be let go by the end of June. Another scenario of postponed carreers, children, retirements saving nest egg bulding for nothing, oh well if you call being a special pioneer "specia". At the monthly hourly requirement of 130 for men and 120 for women it still doesn't leave you much of a life but you still have the noose around your neck!

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WELCOME, ALL NEW ONES!!!

by minimus in

jw
friends

i hope you enjoy this place as much as we do!

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awaretoday

Am a newbie, still attending meetings however due to past events and through personal experience have become sad and betrayed. Been baptized for 31 years stepfather was an elder with very strict code of conduct growing up its a mystery how I lasted this long. Husband too is still in but his main focus is on being part of the boys club, he is an elder. Now with kids i have become weary of the blood issue mainly because of my love for them and because of the undecidedness of the mother ship as it's been called here which cracks me up. So true abut not making real friends in the org no matter how many years you have in it, everyone is in it for themselves and everyone wants to spy on you or tell or criticize, the hipocrisy is disgusting all the way from the DO to CO's to Co wannabees, reg pioneers and just plain publishers. I am regular pioneering (thinking it would dispell my doubts) however I cannot make the hours of falsehood and I really don't want to study with anyone so they can become disheartened like I have, it is very painfull to know I might never see the end much less paradise. I have come to love the friends and their loyalty is amazing although misguided but with family still in the truth it would be impossible to go ahead and call it quits and husband will never do it although he is very lazy about the truth, he never has studied with us as a family or gets us ready for meetings or prepares us for field service as the head should do, no its all about making the meetings to be witht he boys, all i say its whatever just don't complain when I ramble about how wrong this organization is. I am sooo stuck I can hardly breathe but I do pray to Jehovah he is real, he does love us and one day he will reveal his justice.

Awaretoday