I think that has been from when God has sent away Adamo and Eva from the terrestrial Paradise. was only Satan, then also other angels associated with him..
Rom 8:19-22
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When did Satan officially become "the god of this system of things?"
by truthseeker ina question i have often asked is when, precisely, did satan become the god of this system of things?.
the old testament does not mention satan as world ruler.
there are vague references in daniel where demonic princes are in charge of various parts of the world, even wrestling with the angel gabriel to prevent him from giving daniel a message.. i would have though that after the flood of noah's day, it was time for a fresh start, but god allowed satan to take up his former role.. a number of scriptures in the new testament suggest that satan was already god of this world.. .
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drama dc 2009
by inbetween inthe drama was really ridicolous, man, but i noticed, in some of the jw objected to it as well,.
first of all my wife, she said it doesnt feel right, and she strongly disliked the music (she has no idea of my being at this forum btw).
then some friends, who also complained about it, but just to us, because they know, we do not judge them for their questions and almost doubts on some things.... i m sure there were more, but they just dont think out loud, and keep it to themselves.... anybody similar experiences ?.
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marcopolo
in DC is only Modern and not old custom
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My friend needs help with a question about Jesus Apostles.......
by awildflower inthe other day in conversation with her husband, she was bringing out how jesus didn't start a congregation.
he said that the fact that jesus choice 12 apostles to 'take the lead' and look out after the sheep, is proof that the current elder arrangement is biblical.
she didn't know how to answer him and would like your opinions or research on the topic.. so the question is: are jesus 12 apostles proof of an elder arrangement?.
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marcopolo
I think that Jesus is the super viewer of everything, in congregations have be the elder ones, they have autonomous directive and not need GB, in Apocalys Jesus do write to Giovanni singly congregations not collectively , JESU not send letters to the GB, if this existed he had to do this and through to give instructions. but Jesus directly give instructions to church ...(church of people). all Christians in a place and that are managed by Jesus and Angels and not GB
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what is the joy, as find joy, holding joy???
by marcopolo ingal 5.22 on the other hand, the fruit of the spirit is love, joy,.
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i want be always so joy.
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marcopolo
Gal 5.22 On the other hand, the fruit of the spirit is love, joy,
i want be always so joy
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So my mom now knows I'm apostate
by JWinprotest ini finally broke my silence yesterday in a discussion with my mom.
for months now i have been dropping hints here and there that i am not pleased with many things happening in the org, but i would always present it from a concerned jw prospective.
my wife wants us to remain closet jw's because she has bigger reservations of displeasing her family than i do, and wants to continue playing the game.. yesterday however my wife wasn't around, and for the 100th time my mom was ragging on me for attending one of my best friend's weddings because he was marrying a non jw, and the fact that his df'd brother was there.
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marcopolo
I understand your problem,
also my wife and children don't want to listen when I want do know them what bad the organization wts!!!:(
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-12-09 WT Study (DAY NEAR)
by blondie in(b) pressing on to maturity requires effort in what two areas?
(read hebrews 5:14.
2:10) moreover, their perceptive powers are trained through use--through application of what they know--helping them to distinguish right from wrong.
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Because the WTS Says: read THE BIBLE? not Study!!!
what is the solid food? where i can find??
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Is the evil we experience in our lives just "collateral damage" in the issue of universal sovereignty?
by gubberningbody init's not as if i have questions that need resolving.
i know things would likely have been better if jehovah had been listened to.
i am also ready and willing to do what he wants me to do, however exactly what that is isn't so clear.. if we're just pawns and the world is just a chess game between jehovah and satan, then i'm not sure i can wrap my mind around the length of the match and the things that have happened during this time period.. surely we wouldn't consider it morally upright to use humans in this way to prove a point to satan and the angels?.
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marcopolo
do you say that, is not there any universal contese sovranity between God and Satan?
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Michael Jackson Press Conference.... Party? (live)
by inkling inthis is a tmz link claiming to be a live feed from the site of an .
upcoming news conference about mj's death.. http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-press-conference-one/.
people are singing, and clapping, and cheering like it's a party.. huh?
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Is True who Michael Jackson is Dead???????????????????
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The real 1st President of the Watch Tower - Not Russell
by Amazing inlike a number of you, i have known for years that chuck russell was not the first president of the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania ... which was first founded before any other watchtower corporation.. who have been the presidents and when:.
1. william henry conely (the con man) - feb 1881 to dec. 1884 is the first president (chuck russell was sec.-treasurer).
3. joey rutherford - jan 1917 to jan 1942.
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WHY Russel have put him (William Henry Conely) as president ??
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Adam and Eve should have scuppered God'sWIll before the breezy part of day
by hamsterbait ingod barred the way to the tree of life after a&e ate of the tree of knowledge.. because if they ate of it they would be guaranteed never to die.. so - omnipotent god says that if they eat the fruit of knowledge they will die.. and - omnipotent god says that if they eat the fruit of life they will not die.. so is god here admitting he cannot make them die if they eat yet another goddam piece of fruit?.
this sounds a bit like the argument i used to dismiss (was it hegel or kierkegaard?).
can an almighty god make an object which he cannot move?
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marcopolo
this has always given in me mental confusion.has been sinned there? happen? or no?