i heard from the semi reliable source that the pioneer schools will go the way of the dodo bird next year.. i could see this happening.
it used to be that you went to the the pioneer school once.
then they allowed dubs to go every 5 years.
I remember Pioneer school all too well! I really hated having different congregations bring in food every day! Some sisters would tell me; "Don't eat this ......it is from a nasty sister! LOL
It's incredible that most witnesses don't see all of these moves as downsizing!
many years ago, my husband and i appeared on the board that was known as h20 aka simon's site.
it has been a while since we have posted anything, so i guess i can say that this is like coming out of retirement.
lol.
i've been getting really into cooking lately!
i do have most of the same hobbies i had before, (i've always been into art and reading and watching movies and travelling) only now i can do them whenever and don't have to worry about meetings getting in the way or people telling me i spend too much time with "recreation.
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so there i was at the circuit assembly sunday morning with my eyes glazed over as usual when all of a sudden, bam!
a demo with two brothers talking about the new overlapping generation teaching.
the reason it took me by surprise was because it occured during the second talk of the sunday morning symposium, "sanctify god's name by your speech".
The entire foundation of the religion is based on 1914 / generation teaching. With this being built on sand, they realize that MOST can't explain the double-speak. Although this may be just for clarification, or it may be a precursor to another change.
however, love for god and for his.
our love for god and his dear son = is of no value unless we are part of the human/earthly organization, the wts.
how many scriptures are actually read and applied at a meeting?
Excellent post/ commentary/ thread, as always!!!
this weekend at our special assembly day, let gods will take place the final talk was a head shaker.... the bethel speaker was quite entertaining when he joked @ the shortcomings of the elders.
he also made us laugh with the comment "we were told the end of the system is right around the corner, but we've found its been more than that, we've been around the blocks a few times.
" he told the young ones to make the truth their own by researching in the wtbts publication (only).
This a great thread, thank you for posting!! I don't come out much, but you definitely caught my attention. I am sure that this brother was probably ad-libing away from the outline. All that I have ever heard for 30 years is how CLOSE we are and we better be ready. It's interesting that someone actually is backing away (ever so slightly) from the long held "The end is coming tomorrow mentality"
Again, great thread!!!
maybe i am off base, but it seems that the last year or so hasn't had the standard retoric about how "imminent, close, or soon" the end will be.
it seems as if the focus is now on obeying the governing body.
have you noticed this?.
It's hard for me to go to the meetings because that's all that I hear from the platform. They say more than ever how close we are to the end. I am wondering if anyone actually believes the BS. Then I look around and see how 60% of the KH has been in the org. for less than 10 years, so this is all new to them. I was baptized in the early 1980's so it's really painful for me to listen to. Kinda like a 10 YO who has to hear his parents talk about the Tooth Fairy and Santa to his 4 YO sibling. (Hey KID, they are lying to YOU!!!!!)
thanks to 'gayle' for bringing our attention to the fact that the december 15th watchtower has now been uploaded to jw.org.
it doesn't take long to reach the first juicy bit on pages 8 and 9, this time regarding higher education:.
it would be good to ask, am i taking to heart solomons example of treasuring divine wisdom?
The information presented at the meetings are unbearable. I stopped reading the literature some time ago. I think to myself, "Am I the only one seeing this BS?" I am throughly concvienced that no THINKING/Reasoning individuals attend the meetings anymore. It is not possible!!
i've just read at a spanish forum for ex-jw that the wt has cooked a new light article series about social celebrations, including birthdays and aniversaries.
according to a member of this forum 'in short' the wt will let witnesses to decide by 'their bible trained conscience' either they celebrate birthdays or not.
is this rumor based in some real facts or it's just bullshit?.
When my 20 YO son turned 3, I wrote the society and asked them this quastion. They referenced me to an upcoming article that spoke of how MATURE christians would not celebrate birthdays. In my letter I referenced Job's children and the angels that celebrated Jesus' birthday. It seemed like a conscience matter, just don't tell anyone (kinda like college)
today was the last day of the co's visit, my husband stayed home from the meeting and we painted the house together which was good, but he wanted to tie into the meeting, i was ok with it as it allows me to point out the stupid parts of this religion.
there were many things that made no sense but one that truly stuck out.. in his talk the co went on about how there are so many things satan uses to distract us from jehovah and one of them was fear of our future and how some work all their lives for retirement, many at jobs they hate.
people do not enjoy the here and now all out of fear for what will happen when they grow old.
Great POST!!
I love it when individuals post topics like this. Sometimes I sit in the hall and wonder if I am the only intelligent one there. I have discovered that The typical J-Dub has NO reasoning ability. I think many really believe that the END is coming tomorrow; So I gotta pioneer ASAP.......When they reach their 60's and 70's with diabeties and HBP, some realize that the dream will be unfulfilled. They become inactive, smoke and do the things they saw their NOW retired peers doing at 20 while in college. I know a pioneer, (Presiding overseer) elder that became inactive the last 4 years of his life. His daughter told me AFTER his death that he was so disapointed that he was going to die in this system, he started smoking and drinking and gambling and.......... The life of an elderly Jay Dub is truly miserable and unfullfilled!!!
