Posts by diamondiiz

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jwfacts.com

by allyouneedislove in

i had a few comments to make regarding paul grundy's jwfact.com website.

these comments are in no way meant to defend jws, but only to point out illogical statements.

i have actually found his website to be quite informative.. .

Back in the days of Malawi/Mexico scandal that we look back at, people have to remember that there was no internet and you couldn't find out what witnesses in other countries were doing or allowed to do.

Malawi witnesses understood that being neutral and honest meant not buying a party card which to them meant they would prove disloyal to Jehovah and his organization. You didn't see Watchtower have articles stating that Mexican witnesses could bribe military officials to obtain a military card nor did watchtower print stories that they weren't a religious organization in Mexico because it benefited them more to be known as a cultural organization. Since there were stories (I don't remember if there were printed articles) about Malawi witnesses suffering for the party card may be why Mexican witnesses were having troubled conscience because deep inside they knew bribing was illegal even though culturally acceptable and that's why they wrote to society inquiring about that practice.

GB could have advised Malawi witnesses that it was up to their conscience but GB chose not to. While it was up to American witnesses' conscience to sign the oath of allegiance when applying for passports, it was up to Mexican witnesses to bribe officials to get a military card. Jwfacts is right about stating the the blood guilt falls on the hands of GB members since they were the ones that allowed Malawi witness persecution while due to double standards and hypocrisy!

What holds witnesses back is not physical force but their belief system in following what wts tells them to which often equals to being held back physically in fear of dying at Armageddon or displeasing God and that's also the reason why majority of witnesses won't talk to df/da or even inactive witnesses because they follow the GB leaders' "command."

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Changing images

by maisha in

awhile ago i was mentioning how many of the images in watchtowers last year were containing addins with skulls, demon like faces and blatant illuminiti imagery.

i recently went into the download sites again to grab some of those images and blow me away they have all been changed, cropped, edited, i can say that because i have some those original digital images from the magazines of last year, however the images currently on download sites are not the same some completely removed.

one such image of jesus coming on an ass has been cropped, removing the name of the hidden name of the artist,,,, and altering a huge demon like face on the window.... has anyone else noticed this?..

diamondiiz

There is nothing to see. Here are the two pics mentioned, and only if people would just stop wasting time looking for things that just aren't there. WTS doesn't practice occult and they don't put some subliminal images into their pictures on purpose. If you look at some furniture, you can spot faces in the grain of wood. If you look for something, you can find images in clouds, in trees or in rocks.

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Im new and curious

by SushilLuffy in

diamondiiz

Hello SUSHILUFFY,

To add few more things to what was said above. Your new found "friends" are friendly with you because you took interest in their religion so they love bomb you making you feel welcome until you no longer are interested and they will all leave you at the curb. Sadly you will realize the difference between the friends you had over the years who accepted you for what you were and witnesses who can only be your "friends" as long as you believe what they believe.

Also, majority witnesses don't know their own history and their research involves nothing more than reading their latest "history" book Proclaimers of God's Kingdom which is very vague and lacks much detail and omits a lot of important information you should know. Do yourself a favor and when you deal with any history you research it further and don't just believe what you read from their latest publication. Latest example of using out of context quotes is found throughout their October and November articles in the Watchtower dealing with the year 607BC as a date for Jerusalem. Search out the original quotes and compare them to the original context and decide for yourself.

Also, witnesses are very superstitious so you will be told that because you are studying with God's people, Satan will try to test you and will try to weaken your faith so you shouldn't go on internet to research witnesses because Satan uses people to keep you away from God's love and if you want to live forever you need to only listen to watchtower as it has all the information you need. This is part of programming. You are being told what you can read and what you cannot, what to listen to and what not to, which is mind control technique used to take over control of your actions. Information control is very important for witnesses because they don't want you to do your own research independent from them. If you don't listen to what they tell you they will use fear and guilt that you are displeasing to God and by doing so you will not gain everlasting life.

Simply, research, research, research anything and everything. Reference as much as you can and try to think critically as it may mean the difference between living a delusion or living a real life. Remember, when something sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.

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Give Some Logical Points To Prove That JWs Do Not Have The Truth

by minimus in

jw
friends

the one thing that got to me was that this religion is illogical.

their "logic" is ridiculous, especially when it comes to their blood doctrine.

downright weird!.

diamondiiz

Hypocrisy, lies, deception, scandals, systematic misquoting of sources, numerous false dates including true history hidden from members and lets not forget the flip flops.

Details are too great to go into detail here but it started with Russell and increased greatly with Rutherford and this habit just never left wts.

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Letter to the Writing Department from Barbara Anderson

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i thought i knew you.

an open letter from barbara anderson to watch towers writing department.

in 1517, martin luther wrote in a letter to archbishop albert of mainz: you must graciously forgive that i, that scum of the earth, am so bold as to dare to address a letter to you.. yes, i know, you think of me as scum, just like mainz believed of luther, wondering how i dare write you a letter, someone jehovahs witnesses disfellowshipped back in 2002. i was accused of being an unrepentant sinner and condemned for causing divisions, then labeled apostate because i spoke out publicly on nbcs dateline tv program aboutthe child sexual abuse policies that protected pedophiles policies that you helped formulate.

diamondiiz

Latest wts policy thanks to the efforts of people like Barbara, and the lawsuits that forced wts to adjust. Even though the revised policy isn't all that great. Two witness rule still applies.

Chid Abuse
18. You should immediately call the branch
office for direction if you learn of an accusation of
child abuse, regardless of the age of the victim now
or at the time of the alleged abuse, even if it occurred
before the alleged perpetrator's baptism. The branch
office will then give direction based on the circumstances
involved in each situation.
19. Child abuse is a crime. Never suggest to anyone
that they should not report an allegation
of child abuse to the police or other authorities.
If you are asked, make it clear that whether to report
the matter to the authorities or not is a personal
decision for each individual to make and that there
are no congregation sanctions for either decision.

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Changing images

by maisha in

awhile ago i was mentioning how many of the images in watchtowers last year were containing addins with skulls, demon like faces and blatant illuminiti imagery.

i recently went into the download sites again to grab some of those images and blow me away they have all been changed, cropped, edited, i can say that because i have some those original digital images from the magazines of last year, however the images currently on download sites are not the same some completely removed.

one such image of jesus coming on an ass has been cropped, removing the name of the hidden name of the artist,,,, and altering a huge demon like face on the window.... has anyone else noticed this?..

diamondiiz

Post reference info if you're scared of posting the images of what you're talking about. Most likely you've visited another crazy conspiracy site.

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Failed Marriages..."Born ins"

by xelder in

it is impossible to unweave the complex cobweb of a failed marriage and totally understand it, let alone to generalize the occurance for many other couples.

but, let's assume the case of a marriage of two typical jw born-ins.

as far as jw's go, they grew up without major disfunction, still talk to their parents, etc.. in cases like this, how many of these couples are still together?

diamondiiz

itscrap&theyknowit! : thanks but at this point I can't elaborate more on this personal issue.

JW world is a closed minded, totalitarian, unrealistic theocracy similar to Iran or many of the Muslim nations. Solution to the problems are just as stupid since wts world tries to have everything so simplistic as in Satan or the world being the ones who affect the loving, peaceful JW marriage arrangement or guilt JWs themselves that their marriages aren't working because they don't slave enough for the wts or some other totally stupid theory.

In JW world, you simply don't know the other person past the date persona and once the ring is one you wake up to someone with flaws that either person never thought of. Young adults who haven't been married, or lived with another person don't have a clue what to look for in another person and many get divorced or stay in unhappy marriages.

One cannot solve complex problems with a prayer to imaginary being that doesn't answer anything.

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Failed Marriages..."Born ins"

by xelder in

it is impossible to unweave the complex cobweb of a failed marriage and totally understand it, let alone to generalize the occurance for many other couples.

but, let's assume the case of a marriage of two typical jw born-ins.

as far as jw's go, they grew up without major disfunction, still talk to their parents, etc.. in cases like this, how many of these couples are still together?

diamondiiz

When a born in is turned into a drone, marriage to them sucks. Even when they stop with wts crap, they can't alter their borg mindset. I wish I could open up the pain I feel but at the present time I need to suck it up ;(

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1914: Still Important to Watchtower in 2012

by leavingwt in

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98 years later, the 1914 date is still important to the watchtower organization.. .

below is a screenshot of a portion of page 19 from the may 15, 2012 watchtower magazine.. .

diamondiiz

they believe their own lies.

I doubt it, not in this day and age. To defend their bogus dates, they have resorted to quoting sources out of context. To do so, they take time and effort to distort the original meaning and present a twisted version of reality, that is done not so much by believers but by crooks. I doubt very much that GB believe the crap they teach but they have no choice at this point. They are too deep in their own shit with blood dripping off their murderous hands that the only way for them is to continue on with the charade. This way they can die living a comfortable lifestyle. I don't know what the alternative is for them if they came clean and told 7 million that most of their teachings are nonsense based on a lie? But possible lawsuits I would imagine, maybe even criminal charges. If the truth was told, I could imagine many old ones dying from heard attacks, strokes as the truth would be unbearable, suicides would sky rocket while die hard dubs would form their own smaller cults.

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Where is the second witness? (Russell and 1914)

by DT in

i have been doing some reading about the millerites and the "great disappointment" of 1844. i cant help but to notice some similarities between the millerites and russell.. the millerites also used a prophecy of 2,520 years, but chose a different starting point.

they also appear to have initially forgotten the zero year, but later corrected their mistake.. i think it's interesting that the millerites had two prophecies that they thought pointed to 1844 (one dealing with 2,520 years and another with 2,300 years).. this kind of makes sense (if you try to relate to their world view), because the bible says that you need two witnesses to establish something.

a person can shuffle numbers in the bible all day, but it's not likely to mean much.

diamondiiz

The Pyramid pointed to several events, if you read Thy Kingdom Come, you will see that the pyramid pointed to 1874, 1878 and 1914, there might have been others like 1799 that the passages pointed to. But not only did the pyramid help with 1914, Russell also pointed to the 40 year of preaching (harvest work) from 1874 to 1914 which was supposed to refer to the time between Jesus' baptism in 30AD to Jerusalem's destruction in 70AD. There were some other calculations that supported 1914 as the end based on the original 1874 which I don't remember at this time, but Thy Kingdom Come book goes into detail.

Modern witnesses have hard time explaining 1914 let alone trying to remember all the other wacky calculations that Russell used to get various dates. And then we have 1918 confusion and a flip flop between 1919 date.