You know whats the funny thing when a JW dies???
TO DISCOVER THAT THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH!!!!!!!!!
i posted some time ago about my jw neighbor and how my other neighbors mowed her yard as a courtesy.
she was old and wheel-chair bound and they were good samaritans.
they were not dubs.
You know whats the funny thing when a JW dies???
TO DISCOVER THAT THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH!!!!!!!!!
everyone has different views about life after death and whether or not it is a possibility.. as jehovah's witnesses, we were always taught that there is no life after death, that this is the only life we have now and that the wages of sin is death.. .
what are your views on life after death?.
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there are numerous of examples and real expierience from people that had NDE's(Near Death Expierience) We have tones of books like Raymond's Rusty -Life after Life and going back to ancient times the Egyptian Book of Death, the Sansciritc Writtings, writtings that are much older from the Bible.
Even in the Bible we have Jesus going to Hades and preaching to the spirits in Hades Prison, he even talked about our human soul many times, giving parables like Lazarus and the rich person, and the wealthy man who was thinking to expand his fortune, but that night someone else was demanding his soul...
Life after death is found in every ancient religion, since we are not like animals, we have soul and that soul makes us different. I had a close family member who had an NDE, telling me all the things that support that there is life after death
i realize that i avoid using their name for god.. i can say it................. jehovah.
but i'll avoid it almost always..... if i'm talking with you,.
on the rare occasions that i am in conversation with any jdub family,.
I don't use since it is wrong pronounced, plus it only came in the 1700's with that pronouncation...
here is the promised debate.
the subject is whether or not god has an organization.
i'll start things simply:.
@ 20571pnt428571, I will ask you a very simple question: The Bible that JW's claim that they are following can you tell us from were did they get it? Please answer to this SIMPLE question so we can continue, since it is very importand to tell us WHO GAVE YOU THE BIBLE...
here is the promised debate.
the subject is whether or not god has an organization.
i'll start things simply:.
This is the line of Orthodox Bishops that served in Jerusalem starting with James (62A.D) who was the first Bishop of the Church in Jerusalem and he was presiding when the issue of circumcision occurred, according to the Book of Acts of the Apostles. For more you can look at http://www.jerusalem-patriarchate.info/en/welcome.htm
Bishops of Jerusalem
1. James the brother of God +62
2. Symeon +106-107
3. Justus 1st or Judas to 111
4. Zacheos 111-134
5. Tobias ""
6. Benjamin 1st ""
7. John 1st ""
8. Matthias 1st ""
9. Philip ""
10. Seneca ""
11. Justus 2nd ""
12. Levi ""
13. Ephraim ""
14. Joseph 1st ""
15. Judas ""
16. Mark 134-185
17. Kassian ""
18. Publius ""
19. Maximos 1st ""
20. Julian ""
21 Guius 1st ""
22 Guius 2nd ""
23 Symmachos ""
24 Julian or Walis ""
25 Kapion ""
26 Maximos 2nd ""
27 Anthony ""
28 Walis ""
29 Dolihianos ""
30 Narcissos 1st 185-211
31 Dios 213
32 Germanion ""
33 Gordios ""
34 Alexander 213-251
35 Mazavanis 251-260
36 Hymeneos 260-298
37 Zambdas 298-300
38 Hermon 300-314
39 Makarios 1st 314-333
40 Maximos 333-348
41 Kyrill 1st 350-386
42 John 2nd 386-417
43 Praylios 417-422
Patriarchs of Jerusalem
44 Juvenalios 422-458
45 Anastasios 1st 458-478
46 Martyrios 478-486
47 Sallustios 486-493
48 Elijah 1st 494-516
49 John 3rd 516-523
50 Peter 534-552
51 Makarios 2nd 552, 564-575
52 Eustohios 552-564
53 John 4th 575-594
54 Amos 594-601
55 Isaacios 601-608
56 Zacharias 609-632
57 Modestos 632-634
58 Sophronios 1st 634-638
59 Anastasios 2nd ......-706
60 John 5th 706-735
61 Theodoros 745-770
62 Elijah 5th 770-797
63 George 797-807
64 Thomas 1st 807-820
65 Basilios 820-838
66 John 6th 838-842
67 Sergios 1st 842-844
68 Solomon 855-860
69 Theodosios 862-878
70 Elijah 3rd 878-907
71 Sergios 2nd 908-911
72 Leontios 1st 912-929
73 Athanasios 1st 929-937
74 Christdoulos 2nd .....-937
75 Agathon 950-964
76 John 7th 964-966
77 Christodoulos 2nd 966-969
78 Thomas 2nd 969-978
79 Joseph 2nd 980-983
80 Orestis 983-1005
81 Thephilos 1st 1012-1020
82 Nicephoros 1st 1020- .......
83 Joannicios 1020-1084
84 Sophronios 2nd 1040-1059
85 Euthymios 1st ? -1084
86 Symeon 2nd 1084-1106
87 Savvas 1106- ?
88 John 8th 1106-1156
89 Nicolaos ? -1156
90 John 9th 1156-1166
91 Nicephoros 2nd 1166-1170
92 Leontios 2nd 1170-1190
93 Dositheos 1st 1191
94 Mark 2nd 1191-........
95 Euthimios 2nd (before the year shown) 1223
96 Athanasios 2nd 1224-1236
97 Sophronios 3rd 1236- ?
98 Gregorios 1st ? -1298
99 Thaddeos 1298
100 Athanasios 3rd (before the period shown) 1313-1334
101 Gregorios 2nd (after the period shown) 1332
102 Lazaros 1334-1368
103 Arsenios 1344
104 Dorotheos 1st 1376-1417
105 Theophilos 2nd 1417-1424
106 Theophanis 1st 1424-1431
107 Joachim 1431-1450
108 Theophnis 2nd 1450-1452
109 Athanasios 4th 1452-1460
110 James 2nd (around) 1460
111 Abraham 1468
112 Gregorios 3rd 1468-1493
113 Markos 3rd 1503
114 Dorotheos 2nd (after the period shown) 1506-1537
115 Herman 1537-1579
116 Sophronios 4th 1579-1608
117 Thephanos 3rd 1608-1644
118 Paisios 1645-1660
119 Nectarios 1660-1669
120 Dositheos 2nd 1669-1707
121 Chrysanthos 1707-1731
122 Meletios 1731-1737
123 Parthenios 1737-1766
124 Ephraim 2nd 1766-1771
125 Sophronios 5th 1771-1775
126 Abramios 1775-1787
127 Procopios 1st 1787-1788
128 Anthimos 1788-1808
129 Polycarpos 1808-1827
130 Athanasios 5th 1827-1845
131 Kyrillos 2nd 1845-1872
132 Procopios 2nd 1873-1875
133 Hierotheos 1875-1882
134 Nicodemos 1st 1883-1890
135 Gerasimos 1st 1891-1896
136 Damianos 1st 1897-1931
137 Timotheos 1st 1935-1955
138 Benedictos 1st 1957-1980
139 Diodoros 1st 1981-2000
140 Ireneus 1st 2001-2005
141 Theophilos 3rd 2005-.......
thousands of witnesses carried by car or mostly busses joined the great worship of the gb, oh sorry jehovah.. here is a short summary of the talk given by losch: (my thoughts in brackets).
1) the beginning was mostly about closing branches, kingdom halls etc, but all a proof of gods spirit of course.. then some experiences, you find in a yearbook type as well,.
2) obey the slave, even if you dont fully understand, he compared it with a child trusting their parents (quit condescending, sheeple are like dumb children, mama org will think for them).
Please give the exact words that Losch said to the public talk...
andersonsinfo is reporting the following news about the "criminal charges and indictment of the watch tower society in australia" by taking some extracts from different parts of jehovah's witness, steven unthank's blog site, http://www.jwnews.net.
please go to the blog to understand the "indictment" and for detailed reading there is much more information found in a:.
pdf version of the 664 page document "the submission 2011" being the:.
It is about time to pay for their sins...
Dinosaurus extincted before 65 million years ago when a comet hit the earth
here is the promised debate.
the subject is whether or not god has an organization.
i'll start things simply:.
Personally I have seen few ex-JW's looking at the East Orthodox Church. The problem with Westerns is that they complete ignore East Orthodox Church. The main reason is that Protestand Movement is a brake way branch of Catholicism but when they start to know East Orthodox Theology they have a complete different view of Christianity.
everyone has different views about life after death and whether or not it is a possibility.. as jehovah's witnesses, we were always taught that there is no life after death, that this is the only life we have now and that the wages of sin is death.. .
what are your views on life after death?.
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I'm sure that there is life after death. I never did liked WT's point of view regarding this matter. I believe that our soul exists after death and nothing really dies.
Read Raymond's Rusty "Life after Life", a very nice book that records the experience of people who died and then came back to life