looks like suicide.
i wonder what the jw's will do??????????????????
good ridance - no room for child pedo's....
Hope is not suicide...any how I will keep the good times of Michael, since I was a teaneger in the early 80's and grow up with his music. I was proud since he was a JW, and telling all of my friends about my "brother", at that time.
Songs like "one day in your life", "I'll be there", "Beat it", just to name a few that I love from the King of Pop. By the way does anyone knows if he was a JW?
R.I.P. MIchael
has anyone studied the heresy that led to the teaching of arianism?
it was an opposite heresy called sabellianism.
it is exactly what the wt has been saying is "the trinity", but which was thoroughly discounted and rejected by early christians.
Excellent points BTS. I was going to make my reference later on to the Scriptures you quote, but I said it is better to make my point one at a time..
I'm waiting ANSWERS regarding my comment on YHWH from Zechariah...is it hard to answer or perhaps I should quote, again from the Old Testament more scriptures that prove Trinity?
has anyone studied the heresy that led to the teaching of arianism?
it was an opposite heresy called sabellianism.
it is exactly what the wt has been saying is "the trinity", but which was thoroughly discounted and rejected by early christians.
Excellent points BTS. I was going to make my reference later on to the Scriptures you quote, but I said it is better to make my point one at a time..
I'm waiting ANSWERS regarding my comment on YHWH from Zechariah...is it hard to answer or perhaps I should quote, again from the Old Testament more scriptures that prove Trinity?
has anyone studied the heresy that led to the teaching of arianism?
it was an opposite heresy called sabellianism.
it is exactly what the wt has been saying is "the trinity", but which was thoroughly discounted and rejected by early christians.
Renia what Muslims(a compete herecy)has to do with Christianity? Any how, just have a look at few scriptures regarding Trinity. From the old testament:
Zacharias 2/II 5-11: For I,’ saysthe Lord Yahve, ‘will be as a wall of fire all around her, and I will be the glory in her midst.’ “Up, up! Flee from the land of the north,” says the Lord Yahve; “for I have spread you abroad like the four winds of heaven,” says the Lord Yahve. “Up, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon.” For thus says the Lord Yahve of hosts: “He sent Meto the nations which plundered you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye. For surely I will shake My hand against them, and they shall become spoil for their servants. Then you will know that the Lord Yahve of hostshas sent Me. “Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion! For behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst,” says the Lord Yahve. “Many nations shall be joined to the Lord Yahve in that day, and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the Lord Yahve of hosts has sent Me to you.
The first Yahve, Who says “I will be as a wall of fire around her”, is the Holy Spirit . This refers to a second Yahve, Who says of Himself that “He was sent to shake His hand against the nations, and dwell in Zion and join the nations with His people”. And of course this second Yahve is Jesus Christ , Who was sent by His Father to dwell in Zion and call the nations to His Church. Finally, this second Yahve speaks of a third Yahve , who “has sent Him” and “whoever touches His people, touches the apple of His eye”. Thus, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are all Yahve.
The first Yahve, Who says “I will be as a wall of fire around her”, is the Holy Spirit . This refers to a second Yahve, Who says of Himself that “He was sent to shake His hand against the nations, and dwell in Zion and join the nations with His people”. And of course this second Yahve is Jesus Christ , Who was sent by His Father to dwell in Zion and call the nations to His Church. Finally, this second Yahve speaks of a third Yahve , who “has sent Him” and “whoever touches His people, touches the apple of His eye”. Thus, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are all Yahve.
It should not be seen as something strange by the reader, that the three of them have the same name. Nowadays, in every family, the entire family bears a common surname. “Yahve” therefore is not the name of a persona, as the Watchtower organization prefers to teach. “Yahve” is the name of God’s essence, We proved there, that ??Yahve?? signifies: ??the One Who Is”, i.e., that which states the essence of God, and not the particularity of His persona. And just as the members of a family have the same essence and the same name, so it is with the personae of Godhood (the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit), who, as we just read in the Holy Bible, all have the same name: “Yahve” ? . This is the common name (let’s say, something like a surname) for the three personae, who are by nature beyond space and time , (under construct) and consequently are of the same essence.
has anyone studied the heresy that led to the teaching of arianism?
it was an opposite heresy called sabellianism.
it is exactly what the wt has been saying is "the trinity", but which was thoroughly discounted and rejected by early christians.
renaia, please read some Early Church history before you make statements like this....and answer me to the following statements:
One , hugecontradiction
If however, the Ancient Church did not remain within the truth – as various protestant groups and heresies maintain – then they have a serious problem. They place themselves in the predicament of acknowledging the authority of an apostate Church that ruled on the Canon of the New Testament! How can they trust the Canon of the 27 books of the New Testament, if it was composed by alleged apostates of the truth? How can they be certain that those involved had made the correct choice as to which books are divinely inspired or not, if they had apostatized from the divine truth? If the Church had apostatized, how can they be sure that those people hadn’t chosen the books that were considered expedient and rejected those that weren’t to their advantage? If, on the other hand, they trust the Canon of the New Testament, then they –unwittingly- also trust the Church that created that Canon!
The oldest, complete catalogue of the 27 books of the New Testament did not exist until 367 A.D., when Athanasios the Great wrote his 39 th commemorative epistle !! The Canon that we have, was finalized in 397 A.D., in the Council (Synod) of Carthage. At least that Church – which gave us the Canon for the New Testament – was surely “a pillar and foundation of the truth” (Timothy I, 3:15). If the Church had indeed preserved apostolic tradition, then it certainly was capable of deciding on the Canon of valid books for the New Testament; if, however, it had become corrupt and apostate, it would obviously not have preserved apostolic tradition and subsequently any decision that it may have reached for this Canon would have been erroneous! To quote the Holy Bible: “Who can extract the clean from the unclean? No-one” (Job, 14:4 – Vamvas Translation). But, if we accept that apostolic tradition was properly preserved by that Church, qualifying it to decide on the Canon, then it could not have been in apostasy!
Consequently, those who maintain that the Church had apostatized, have only two choices:
has anyone studied the heresy that led to the teaching of arianism?
it was an opposite heresy called sabellianism.
it is exactly what the wt has been saying is "the trinity", but which was thoroughly discounted and rejected by early christians.
Trinity is my favor subject. Unfortunately most of those belong to the Protestand groups are unware of the Early Christian history and they use reasoning like WT does. We might not have the word Trinity in the Bible but we have PROOF from many verses of a Triunion God. Plus we have early writtings of the successors of the Apostoles confirming the Trinity dogma, like Bishop Ignatius 120 A.D, Justin Martyr, 100-165 A.D, Athingoras 177 AD, Irinaios 180 A.D. Just to mention a few Bishops of the Apostolic Church.
The Apostolic Chruch did not came to clarify the dogma only when Heretics like Arius started to question the Nature of Christ. That is why an Apostolic Synodos in Nicaia had to clarify this matter and guard the Holy Apostolic Church from herecy.
The most amazing for those who claim that the Bible or the early Christians did not believed Trinity is they accept a Bible that was given to them by the Holy Orthodox Apostolic Church and the definition of the Biblical Canon by Saint Athanasius at Laodicea Synodos 367 A.D...
My question is clear: Why do you accept a Bible that supposed was canonized by apostates?
apart from it has made my day !
what now, the world cup ?.
love.
This is cup is not so importand and for sure is not a world cup or Euro. As I have seen most of the Europeans players are tired. Imagine how many games they have from the beggining of the season. Most players Italians, Spanish, play in the best championships of the world. The British, Spanish, Italian and German. Most of them are tired since it is the end of the season, and many of them they will not even have a rest since the European Championships are soon to be start. Also the big money is on their clubs that is why most of those players they do not like to risk an injury in their national teams.
I consider the win of US normal.
awake 85 7/22 p.30 "buisness man nearly marries own daugter...donor sperm fathered 806 babies..he was the father of his intended bride..."
watch 84 8/15 p.26 the bible lev.
18:20 is clear...artifical insimination of a woman...makes her guilty of adultery..."
JAVA you got it correct:Having a sperm donor is adultery, but getting screwed by the Watchtower is Jehovah's Service
I'm so glad due to their obsecion of bringing the end they fallen to trap not to have kids. Now WT is in a deep shit
you have stolen our history and heritage.
your filthy hands touched and destroyed the master piece of democracy parthenon a universal heritage.
your so called "lord elgin" stolen, destroyed part of parthenon marbles in order to bring them in england.. .
You have stolen our history and heritage. Your filthy hands touched and destroyed the Master piece of Democracy Parthenon a universal heritage. Your so called "Lord Elgin" stolen, destroyed part of Parthenon Marbles in order to bring them in England.
They are part of the Parthenon World Wide Heritage Monument, and they have to be reunited with the rest of the Marbles. The Acropolis Museum, a state of the Art Museum has opened the gates few days ago. The opening it was breath taking, but most of all everyone could see the stolen Marbles missing.
We do not ask, we DEMAND to be returned since you have STOLEN them. The vast majority of the British people support the Hellenic demand for returning the Marbles. Unfortunately the British Museum and Government are not willing to do it so, following the footsteps of the thief Elgin.
"The request for the restitution of the Parthenon Marbles is not made by the Greek government in the name of the Greek nation or of Greek history. It is made in the name of the cultural heritage of the world and with the voice of the mutilated monument itself, that cries out for its marbles to be returned."
Evangelos Venizelos, Greek Minister of Culture
WHAT ARE THE PARTHENON MARBLES?
When the Parthenon was built between 447BC and 432BC, three sets of sculptures, the metopes, the frieze and the pediments, were created to adorn it. Of these, the metopes and the frieze were part of the structure of the Parthenon itself. They were not carved first and then put in place, high up on the Parthenon, but were carved on the sides of the Parthenon itself after it had been constructed.
The metopes were individual sculptures in high relief. There were 92 metopes, 32 on each side and 14 at each end and each metope was separated from its neighbours by a simple archtitectural decoration called a triglyph, The metopes were placed around the building, above the outside row of columns and showed various mythical battles. The north side showed scenes from the Trojan war; the south side showed a battle between the Greeks and the Centaurs -- part man, part horse; the east side showed the Olympian gods fighting giants and the west side showed a battle between Greeks and Amazons.
The frieze , 160 metres long, was placed above the inner row of columns, so it was not so prominently displayed. It is one long, continuous sculpture in low relief, showing the procession to the temple at the Panathenaic festival.
At either end of the temple, in the large triangular space, the pediment statues in the round were placed. These were designed to fill the space so that those at the highest point of the triangle are enormous. The pediment sculptures have been so badly damaged that we only know what they represent because of the writings of the Greek writer and traveller Pausanias, who was active around 150 AD. According to him, the sculptures in the east pediment represent the birth of Athena from the head of Zeus and the sculptures in the west pediment represent the struggle between Athena and Poseidon for the land of Attica.
The real glory of the temple, however, was housed inside. The statue of the goddess Athena was about 40 feet (12 metres) high, and gold and ivory was used to decorate it. This statue was damaged by fire as early as 200BC and it is thought that a new statue replaced it in 165-160BC. Unlike the Parthenon Marbles, the statue did not survive antiquity.
Not all of the Parthenon Marbles, however, survive down to the present day. There were originally 115 panels in the frieze. Of these, ninety-four still exist, either intact or broken. Thirty six are in Athens, fifty-six are in the British Museum and one is in the Louvre. Of the original ninety-two metopes, thirty-nine are in Athens and fifteen are in London. Seventeen pedimental statues, including a caryatid and a column from the Erechtheion are also in the British Museum. So the Parthenon Marbles are almost equally divided -- half in London and half in Athens.
It is precisely because the surviving sculptures are to be found in two countries 1500 miles apart that the Greek government has requested the return of the Parthenon Marbles from the British Museum so that they can be reunited in one collection, in a museum to be built at the foot of the Acropolis Hill on which the remains of the Parthenon temple stand.
has anyone who has attended a district convention this year seen any protestors or demonstrators?.
have you ever protested or demonstrated or maybe even handed out literature at a convention or assembly?
what happened?
I believe Mouthy did the best demonstration. No yellings etc, etc. Just stay quite with a board hanging over you with a brief message. This is the best way to do it.
It will be nice to have small messages on the board to make Jw's "think" a little bit, like:
587 B.C the real date of Jerusalims destruction
607 B.C came out from Russells influence by Pyramidology
Why did the Organization forbit Organ Transplants for 16 years?
Will Sodomah and Gomorah reserrect at God's Kingdom?
