How could he have a Y chromosome? Where did it come from?
GromitSK
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Who did jesus look like, his mom or his dad?
by Honeybucket inif jesus was immaculate, what would his dna and alleles look like?
would he be the spitting image of mary?.
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Evidence of Supernatural Ability
by GromitSK ini would be interested to hear members' views on:.
a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.
b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).
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GromitSK
@rebel - I think this has already been mentioned above.
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Evidence of Supernatural Ability
by GromitSK ini would be interested to hear members' views on:.
a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.
b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).
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GromitSK
@ Fernando - touche! So you mean peronal testimony I think as opposed to anecdotal reports or scientific investigation - am I right?
Although I doubt whether personal testimony would be, for many, conclusive, it would certainly be a matter for serious consideration for me if I knew and trusted the person reporting the experience. If many people are reporting similar experiences, one would have thought the phenomena would be worthy of serious investigation.
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This dog will not stay asleep!
by compound complex ini thought dogs slept through the night.
well, all the others i care for do!.
it's midnight and i'm sick and really need some shut-eye .
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GromitSK
Sounds like something is bugging her :)
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GromitSK
...and we're still here!!!
or are we.... :)
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Evidence of Supernatural Ability
by GromitSK ini would be interested to hear members' views on:.
a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.
b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).
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GromitSK
@Fernando - do you mean by ' a series of independent instances of such "subjective opinions"'; anecdotal accounts of things that have been witnessed or experienced?
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Evidence of Supernatural Ability
by GromitSK ini would be interested to hear members' views on:.
a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.
b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).
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GromitSK
@Xanthippe
Gromit, had to get some sleep that's why I didn't reply – OK but don;t let it happen again
I wasn't quoting Wiki as an authorative text. Cofty was. I was replying to his quote from Wiki - I realise that – sorry I didn’t make that clear. I wasn’t directing it at you it was intended to be more of a general remark.
I have replied directly to your questions, I just haven't put them in to a two answer formula.
I will rectify that now for you. You asked:-
1) What would you consider to be supernatural?
I would consider telepathy to be 'supernatural'. Although all physical phenomena seems 'supernatural' or at the very least weird without evidence, eg have you seen a Higgs-Boson particle?
2) What would satisfy me it is genuine?
I would require evidence that a psychic is reading my mind. Specific names. Specific facts. Not generalisations. That they wouldn't fish for information from me but give me the facts. Why, because this would show that there is more to mind than brain. That without speech or written words information is being transferred.
Thanks – no I haven’t, to my knowledge, seen a Higgs-boson lol .Thanks for replying concisely on your view.
Just a thought on the telepathy/brain dependence (if you will pardon the pun) – assuming telepathy could be shown to exist, is it not possible that this might simply indicate that the processing of the brain was in some way ‘readable’ by another brain sometimes? A bit like a radio picking up stray signals?
So, Gromit, why do you ask? If that is not off topic or going in to the wilderness. I would say it's about as on-topic as you can get
I am curious to know what people would accept as evidence of supernatural ability and what controls they would prefer for them to be confident the phenomena were genuine. So far the suggestions seem reasonable to me. What prompted this was a discussion on another thread about supernatural phenomena and the apparent diametrical opposition between those who accept such phenomena and those who are convinced such do not occur. I guess I am interested to see how rational each party’s position is.
I don't mind it going off-topic (like it matters what I mind? lol) - it's just easier to keep track of what people are saying if it doesn't stray too far.
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Evidence of Supernatural Ability
by GromitSK ini would be interested to hear members' views on:.
a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.
b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).
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GromitSK
@Cofty
Getting the scientific community to take new ideas seriously takes a lot of work - as it should.
I think this must be correct. At the end of the day one would be asking people to risk their working careers and reputations on researching something that seems often, at best, very difficult to reproduce. I guess looking for Bosons is difficult too but at least there is a scientific framework underpinning it.
It would be a brave person indeed to take that step although a few have in the past. In addition, there seem to be very very few people who even claim to be able to demonstrate phenomena that would be worth a professional scientist committing time to.
off to bed :)
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Evidence of Supernatural Ability
by GromitSK ini would be interested to hear members' views on:.
a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.
b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).
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GromitSK
@ EP - I'd prefer to you explain why you say the poster was wrong. If you don't want to that's up to you. I think a long discussion about what colour is will take us even further off the topic. The statement on it's own didn't really help.
Sir Williams Crookes; Sir Oliver Lodge;John Logie Baird; Prof William Barrett;Prof Phiilippe Bottazzi;William Brown (Harley Street specialist);Thomas Edison;Prof Theodore Flournoy;Prof David Fontana;Paul Gibier;Prof Erlender Haraldsson;Prof Robert Hare;Prof William James;Prof Enrico Morselli. You might add Gary Schwarz - I would say he was eminent in his field - he is mentioned above; Charles Tart too. I am sure I am not doing the list justice but trying to make the point that many scientists have investigated the phenomena and found substance to it. They could all have been deluded, fraudulent or incompetent I suppose.
A list of researchers (not by any means all scientists, not exhaustive) but it will give you an idea. You can then look up their research for yourself if you have an interest. It is quite a useful website generally for those with an interest : http://www.survivalafterdeath.info/investigators.htm
@Xanthippe - I am not sure I would regard Wiki as an authoratative source. I have seen comments on there that I know to be incorrect in the past. It might be worth checking if Tart has rebutted any of the criticisms directly. Though this too will take us off into the wilderness potentially.
@Cofty - thanks for your comment re Remote Viewing. FWIW I agree :) - what kind of controls do you have in mind? (it's fine if you're bored with this and don't want to spend too much time on it lol)
So back to the questions: what would you consider to be supernatural and what would satisfy you it is genuine?
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Evidence of Supernatural Ability
by GromitSK ini would be interested to hear members' views on:.
a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.
b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).
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GromitSK
You are incorrect .
EP a bit more detail would be interesting lol :)