Posts by GromitSK

it showcases britons demonstrating how muhammad inspires them to contribute to society, with a focus on womens rights, social justice and the environment.

GromitSK

What they are basically saying is that Muhammed was NOT ALL bad and neither is Islam

Well quite. "Apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?"

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Homosexuality is a Sin. Beleive me, you'll want to see this!

by whereami in

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the definition of "pot meets kettle".

this is just to funny.

how is anyone supposed to take religion seriously, really.. .

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Yesss, Yesssss, Yesssss. God just sssaysss Yesssss to me! LMAO

I think the word that comes to mind is "flaming". Talk about Turkeys voting for Xmas (or Thanksgiving for our US colleagues).

On a serious note it sounds like he has swapped ecstasy and heroin for another drug.

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'Alice'... you know the one...

by Aussie Oz in

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alice: i have decided hence forth to avoid you 'alice'.

you have not seen fit to answer my very simple and non slanging match questions.

i notice that you choose only to interact with those that will argue back.

GromitSK

Maybe it just needs a small change to his/her username given how you feel? Perhaps prefixing it with "M" would do the trick? :)

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[LONG] Making a plan to leave... I have no friends :'(

by confliction in

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the title pretty much explains it all... i don't want to go too much into my story (for paranoid fear of identification), but i have been raised in the "truth", and got baptized at a young age- too young to truly understand what i was getting into.

i still live with my parents, and as such don't want to make a move just yet, as it would destroy virtually everything i have left.

as of now though, i see myself leaning towards agnosticism.. here's my short sob story.

GromitSK

Hi Confliction

On the positive side, as you have reached a point where you want to leave, you have the upper-hand in that you can think through how best to proceed. I understand the downside is that faced with no apparent 'easy' way out and the risk of losing contact with those you love, any decision is not going to be easy.

The above comments on finding support that you can trust are, IMHO, spot on correct. Developing contacts with one or two who you can trust will help to take some of the pressure off you in the short term, and allow you to run your plans past others. It is wise to consider the worst-case scenario, but not to become fixated on it as the only, or even the likeliest outcome.

I recall watching a film called Dune some years ago and one phrase has always struck me as perceptive: "Fear is the mind-killer". Too much of it will stop you thinking clearly and the best way to control it is to confront it, in the first instance by talking about your fears with others.

One other factor is knowledge - information is power. The more you know about the witnesses and the options available, the more certain you will be about your decision, when made. This combination of friendship, support and knowledge will help when and if the painful times you fear come.

You have one life to live. When you are convinced the WTS have it wrong, and if you can no longer conform to their disciplines the time will come to leave. The process will probably be difficult but you do not need to be alone and I guarantee that it is better to live in the real world.

One final thought. Be careful in whom you place your trust and confidence. As a friend of mine once said: Love many, trust few and always paddle your own canoe.

This forum is potentially very useful for you. I wish it had been around when I left (or even better - before I got involved).

Kind regards

Paul

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Is having "Faith" believing in something without proof? Definitions?

by Witness 007 in

yes have faith in god brothers!

he will answer your prayers......if it's "his will.

" you need to have "faith" that he is there watching over us...even if it seems like he isn't.

GromitSK

I think it depends what you mean by Faith but at the end of the day if someone I trust tells me something I would be inclined to accept it on their word and without corroborating evidence. I demonstrate faith in them (I am not saying that is necessarily wise or that I would do it in all circumstances depending on what was at stake).

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The Existence of God

by alice.in.wonderland in

from the position of the majority of posters here, it goes without question that little next to no truth is taught by the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

if i may ask, how at this point do you relate to the existence of god?

if i may borrow from this individual: calton, a particle physicist, string theorist, cosmologist and self proclaimed theist, although at times he sounds agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

GromitSK

I am not sure the logic is right here Alice - leaving aside the algebra.

As I understand it (or not!), although you are saying, in effect, the least complex solution is that God exists and performed the act under consideration (in this case 'Creation of the Universe), that would have been true for many phenomena that are now understood in scientific terms wouldn't? For example combustion, eclipses etc.

If we follow that line of logic then God is the simplest answer for anything we cannot now explain, until an empirical solution is found. This clearly wouldn't hold much water as many phenomena which were thought to be directly created by God, we now know are not and have much more complex explanations (tectonic drift for example).

It could well be in the situation you describe, there is some cause of creation which exists but which we have not yet identified due to our incomplete knowledge of the physical laws of the Universe and its composition. Such unknown factor(s) still exists as a cause, whether or not we can imagine it(them). I don't think the logic you use can be used to prove God exists or even that it is the most likely explanation given the change in scientific understanding of the Universe over even the last 100 years.

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How long did the Watchtower Society's campaign against aluminium last?

by slimboyfat in

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i came across a discussion of the golden age magazine's anti-aluminum stance in a book on the history of reaction to government policy on fluoride:.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/fluoride-wars-americas-political-melodrama/dp/0470448334/ref=sr_1_64?ie=utf8&s=books&qid=1276764067&sr=1-64.

use the "search inside" feature to find the discussion of the golden age on pages 131 and 132.. among other things it says: "unbelievably, the golden age published over 130 articles railing against aluminium cookware between 1925 and 1969".. did the society continue to publish articles against aluminum as late as 1969?

GromitSK

Thanks Leolaia :)