GromitSK

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  Are homosexuals born that way? The March 15 Watchtower seems to say so.

  by matt2414 in

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  15 one brother who was raised in a christian household wrote that for as long as he could remember, he struggled with homosexual tendencies.

  he said: i always felt awkward.

  it seemed that i didnt fit in anywhere.

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  GromitSK

  I recall their advice to me: get married.
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  I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

  by minimus in

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  ...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

  people will believe what they want to believe..

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  I don't mind a long reply Gopher when all parties are trying to gain a common understanding (as here) as opposed to winning an arm-wrestling match. :)

  (for the record, it wasn't a fact, in case you were worried lol)
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  I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

  by minimus in

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  ...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

  people will believe what they want to believe..

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  Ok Gopher. Let's suppose I say I am typing this as I sit in my car. Is that a fact?

  Actually, I just read your post again. I think we're saying the same thing. In any event, I don't disagree.
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  I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  ...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

  people will believe what they want to believe..

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  GromitSK

  Gopher - I agree a fact is a fact. However there are facts that you may know that I do not know. There may be facts that you know, but the basis of your knowing isn't acceptable to me. What is a fact to you, may not be to me.That is the point I was trying to make.
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  I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  ...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

  people will believe what they want to believe..

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  GromitSK

  Isn't another person's fact simply something you dont know? :)
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  I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  ...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

  people will believe what they want to believe..

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  GromitSK

  Interesting comment Apognophos. My understanding is that science is based on observation, or a least repeated observation. So your experience isn't any less of a fact because only you experienced it, it isn't a fact necessarily for others though, would you agree?
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  Divorce Cases Could Soon Be Settled Under Sharia Law In Britain After Landmark Legal Ruling

  by Bangalore in

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  divorce cases could soon be settled under sharia law in britain after landmark legal ruling.. .

  http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2013/02/01/201-divorce-cases-could-soon-be-settled-under-sharia-law-in-britain-after-landmark-legal-ruling.html.

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  My understanding of UK law is that a person cannot be held to an agreement they have entered into under duress or without full understanding. In effect, if a woman agrees to be bound by Sharia, she has chosen the framework. I can see that some may be culturally forced into agreeing but I'm not sure using the law to force cultural and religious traditions like this one to change is the best way to achieve progress.
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  I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  ...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

  people will believe what they want to believe..

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  GromitSK

  @apognophos - thank you for clarifying.
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  I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  ...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

  people will believe what they want to believe..

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  GromitSK

  Agreed. I am not sure what you mean by hypocrite in this context though.
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  I've Come To Realize That "Facts" Don't Mean Much If A Person Refuses To Accept Them

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  ...and that applies to religion as well as politics.. if someone simply believes such and such is true, it doesn't really matter whether you "prove" it or not.

  people will believe what they want to believe..

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  GromitSK

  @tec - I agree it is a matter of judgement but the actual colour of the t shirt is a fact, no? :) - assuming we both see the same thing of course.

  @ Gopher - clearly you're right about the colour chart. Without it we don't have enough information to resolve it at present. Even with a colour chart - which one do we choose? Aren't we simply using someone else's definition of maroon, unless of course we accept the definition of the wavelength of light corresponding to maroon as you suggest and hire a lab to test the t shirt. If I went to that length to make my point I think I'd be sectioned lol. Up to that point, what is a fact seems to me to be somewhat moot. But there is a fact lurking in there, presumably somewhere maroon has a definition that isn't subective. I don't want to stretch the illustration beyond what it can support though :)

  I like your observation regarding something not subject to debate or opinion. There are lots of things that definitely qualify as facts, I agree. There are probably lots of things that are facts that we don't have enough information, at the moment, to state are categorically facts but that are highly likely to be facts. There are probably things that that we consider to be facts, but aren't. There certainly have been in the past.

  I suspect a hundred years ago the classical view of atomic structure in physics was considered an unassailable fact. It wasn't though :)

  @apog - you believe the theory of relatively is a fact, the theory is of course - it definitely exists, but I get the point you're making, you mean that in practice it is a fact? Interestingly even Einstein was convinced it wasn't a fact and said he expected to be proved wrong in parts at least. The layman, including me, definitely can't form a judgement as to it's factuality (is that a word?), we have to trust others. If next week Physicists come up with a variation to it I'd be none the wiser (though better informed :))

  The shape of the planet though is something we can form a view on as there is a lot of evidence we can examine for ourselves, if we have enough money and don't mind heights we can even go into space and see the fact for ourselves.