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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

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  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  Can we please not make this a Wibble thread?
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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  To eat from the tree represents trying to be something a human is not, which is God.

  I think eating from the tree represents trying to be something we are meant to be, which is god-like.

  We have been prevented from that. The question is : WHY?

  We are not sinners, we didn't "inherit sin". We are trapped in a flawed world.

  As Nathaniel Merritt explains:

  This is in all animals. All animals are selfish, self-seeking and self-willed. Just as we are. Are animals "sinners"? Or are they simpley animals partaking of the flawed nature of material existence, the same as we are?

  The only difference is that humans have a spirit, which is our destiny to return to.

  Again the question: Why did Jehovah prevent them from achieving that?
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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  For the record, I absolutely agree this is an allegory.
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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  Would you agree that the narrative in the first 3 chapters doesn't actually describe the idea of inherited sin as we know it,

  Exactly!

  I don't believe in the idea of inherited sin.

  Adam was created mortal and dying. He was prevented from acheiving immortality. (Whether by eating from the Tree of Life or not being able to go through the correct PROCESS of eating, as Botch suggests.)
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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  So, Botch.....are you saying that acheiving immortality would have been a 2-step process:

  FIRST - eat from the tree of knowledge,

  THEN - eat from the tree of life.

  These steps in reverse order, wouldn't have given them immortality?
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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  Were they not driven out of the garden PRECISELY so they could not eat from the Tree of Life ?
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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  Would this not make God sinful?

  Bingo.
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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  The text says they may eat from EVERY tree

  Agreed. They MAY.....

  Did they eat from the Tree of Life?

  From the text, I think NO.

  Gen 3:22 indicates that AFTER eating from the Tree of Knowledge, they needed to be prevented from eating from the Tree of Life. Thus, the expulsion from the garden.
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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  How many times did they eat from the Tree of Knowledge ?
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  The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

  the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

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  palmtree67

  Can you show me where it says this in the text? In Genesis 2:16 and 17 it is clearly only the tree of the knowledge of good and bad that is prohibited. All other trees, including the tree of life, can be eaten from "to satisfaction".

  Can you show me where it says in the text that they definately ate from the Tree of Life ?