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  Retraction for the Ladies

  by waiting in

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  in a post to imbue, i stated that julie and tina still had active accounts here.

  i was mistaken - both women have had their accounts de-activated, whether by personal choice or simon's choice.

  that's what that little line drawn through the poster's name means - "they are no longer with us.

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  Andi..I got it from Naebby when mony was down his pants she left it there...*cough*

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  Post JW Cult - JanH

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  i thought this was a timely essay you all should read!.

  http://kent.steinhaug.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427.

  the post-jw cult janh.

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  Andi you don't like the essay?

  People post articles from all sorts of newspapers and journals and it is illegal. The person that wrote this gave permission for it to be posted some where else. So whats your problem?

  Once again Billygoat Teejay posted something from Kents and you never said a thing about it? What is YOUR problem with me?

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  Retraction for the Ladies

  by waiting in

  1. jw
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  in a post to imbue, i stated that julie and tina still had active accounts here.

  i was mistaken - both women have had their accounts de-activated, whether by personal choice or simon's choice.

  that's what that little line drawn through the poster's name means - "they are no longer with us.

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  Hey, I'll serve carrot cake if you'd like? I thought this was done with the marshmellows and carrot cake?

  Hey Billy no problem... *passes peace pipe*

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  "The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
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  Post JW Cult - JanH

  by Imbue in

  1. jw
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  i thought this was a timely essay you all should read!.

  http://kent.steinhaug.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427.

  the post-jw cult janh.

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  Mony, I have his permission..he is in IM right now..OK!

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  "The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
  (Ok! He borrowed it)
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  Retraction for the Ladies

  by waiting in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a post to imbue, i stated that julie and tina still had active accounts here.

  i was mistaken - both women have had their accounts de-activated, whether by personal choice or simon's choice.

  that's what that little line drawn through the poster's name means - "they are no longer with us.

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  Waiting,
  I sent you there to read my post not anyone elses. I didn't feel like explaining myself again. I knew you have been over there anyway.

  Well, in my opinion this thread stems from that one. That is my opinion. You know you have been reponding because of things said else where. Don't lie!

  Andi, Nasty digs are never polite and kind. No matter how they are delivered!

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  "The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
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  Post JW Cult - JanH

  by Imbue in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought this was a timely essay you all should read!.

  http://kent.steinhaug.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427.

  the post-jw cult janh.

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  I thought this was a timely essay you all should read!
  http://kent.steinhaug.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427

  The post-JW cult JanH
  This is just a collection of random thoughts I have had on the online ex-jw community over the last months. I have at times been heavily involved in both support groups and general anti-WT work, but have become largely detached from it over the last few years. I still debate issues I am interested in online, and pay attention to the developments, but I am mostly here for social reasons.

  I no longer post on JWD for a number of reasons, and I read far from all of the messages posted there, and I find it easier to see what is really going on in the role of observer.

  The online xJW community is growing increasingly intolerant not only to JWs with genuine doubts, but also to anyone expressing views contrary to the "mainstream." There is a very angry crowd there, for obviously and understandable reasons, who will accept no dissent regarding their core dogma: that the WTS is responsible for all ills and problems in life.

  It was a time when attacks on the WTS could be reasonably criticized on fact and logic without the critic being labeled pro-JW. That seems to no longer be the case. A part of the reason is no doubt that anyone who does not conform to the mob is harassed to the degree they realize they have to find another forum for serious discussion.

  For example, I have found the criticism of the WTS Trinity brochure to be often ill-founded and unfair. Many does not seem to understand what is a misquotation and what is not. Surely, I believe the brochure is far from giving a correct picture of the development of Christology in the early Christian church, but the same can be argued about its opponents. Anyone expecting a objective treatment of this subject from the WTS is grossly unreasonable, and as an example of WTS atrocities or failings, this brochure doesn't even make the top thousand.

  Also, a number of bogus arguments are repeatedly posted. Earlier, more knowledgable people rebutted or at least questioned these arguments. Even the totally bogus "russell was a freemason" argument seems to go unanswered these days.

  Perhaps the most common bad argument is accusing JWs of having "conditional love". I will argue that all love is conditional. I doubt many would continue to love a person abusing them in the worst possible way. The WT problem is not that love is conditional, but that it is conditional on factors totally external to the relationship. JWs love on the condition that the other remain a member of the sect. Of course, by now the argument no longer fits into a catchy slogan, which is probably the reason the misconstrued phrase keeps being repeated.

  I have also, frankly, had some mixed feelings on making the child abuse cases the primary focus of the attack on the WTS. As it is now, it will probably be the worst crisis ever hitting the WTS, and given the criminal neglect of the organization I have no tears for them. Even more important, this exposure will probably do much good in saving other children from abuse and empowering existing victims to take back their lives. Also, some of my initial fears have largely been answered by the excellent way the people in what i will call "the silentlambs network" have conducted the project. They seem to have avoided the countless pitfalls such an emotional subject brings up. The bogus or doubtful allegations that always surfaces in such cases have received a calm, critical evaluation. That this project has succeeded so far is, ironically, because it has been run as an "elite" operation (oh how they hate that expression!) largely hidden from all interested parties, including both the WTS and the 'mob'.

  This is about to change as the Dateline exposure hits the airwaves (hopefully next week). It will go mainstream, and this deeply emotional subject will take all the classical characteristics of a media feeding frenzy. I have been deeply disturbed by the extreme attacks on the eminent sociologist Rodney Stark I have read on JWD. Some have openly suggested trying to smear him by arguing that any positive sentence about the WTS -- which was quotable when the compulsory brakets and ellipsis was employed -- means that he somehow supports child abuse. I don't doubt that he has already received hate mail from some mob members. If Stark or other scholars fails to see the real, ugly truth behind the window-dressing in the Watchtower, it can at least be partially blamed on the hysterical mob.

  Finally, a word on "trolls". H2O in the past, and JWD now (and probably WOF in the future), is of course very vulnerable to real "trolls". The word troll originally refers to someone posting a provocative message on a public forum just to hook people into angry retorts, when they themselves do not mean what they say. This last part seems to have escaped the attention of many board members who repeatly yells "troll." It has become the catch-all insult to everyone who posts opinions they do not like. The hyper-sensitivity to "trolls" is IMO a much greater threat to free exchange of ideas than the genuine trolls.

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  "The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of no conclusion." -- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

  Last edited by JanH on 05-22-2002 at 01:02 PM

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  question: gambling?

  by Imbue in

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  someone named me meme sent this email...do what you will with it.

  i'm posting it for the entertainment value.

  i already know the answer how about you?.

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  Someone named me meme sent this email...do what you will with it. I'm posting it for the entertainment value. I already know the answer how about you?

  can you post this topic/question on the jwd.com bulletin board, i have registered with simon but have not heard back(guess he is busy) but i would like an answer soon,,btw i pick you because you were online...

  question: gambling? any elders or people have any insight of how it was handled in the cong.? I would like to lay down some money in vegas, and i dont see anything wrong with putting out a few hundred for fun, anyone ever get busted, or have ANY insight of what i might expect if it gets out?

  thank you ahead of time

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  "The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
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  Retraction for the Ladies

  by waiting in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a post to imbue, i stated that julie and tina still had active accounts here.

  i was mistaken - both women have had their accounts de-activated, whether by personal choice or simon's choice.

  that's what that little line drawn through the poster's name means - "they are no longer with us.

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  Hahah Andi what you see is the difference between southern and northern culture. I just call it like I see it! And we say it with out frills and fuss. I'm not a kiss A** like some on this thread.

  You should know where the flames are because you interjected yourself just as you have done so here. Despite the fact that you claim to not know who waiting is talking about. If you had some reading comprehension skills you would know that WAITING IS TALKING ABOUT JULIE!!! I'm not angry I just want to make sure you see it.

  So in fact you are criticizing Julie and you don't even know it so who needs to read more carefully before commenting...I say ANDI!

  Andi I'm not offended by you I'm just pointing out your selective hearing.

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  "The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
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  Retraction for the Ladies

  by waiting in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a post to imbue, i stated that julie and tina still had active accounts here.

  i was mistaken - both women have had their accounts de-activated, whether by personal choice or simon's choice.

  that's what that little line drawn through the poster's name means - "they are no longer with us.

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  LMAO @ waiting...

  However, it has everything to do with that thread. I suppose you just don't want people to see where it originated from...

  I think Simon is shaking his head right now..saying woman *shesh* LOL

  Simon please note who pulled this thread out of the closet.Where we would have all like it to stay.

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  "The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
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  Retraction for the Ladies

  by waiting in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a post to imbue, i stated that julie and tina still had active accounts here.

  i was mistaken - both women have had their accounts de-activated, whether by personal choice or simon's choice.

  that's what that little line drawn through the poster's name means - "they are no longer with us.

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  Andi Did you even read the link provided???? Yet you want more links...

  Billy I believe I offended you. Whenever I have had disagreements with Teejay and Prisca you show up...To defend them! When you don't know all the facts and once again you are here..Not knowing all the facts and you haven't even read the link provided.

  Your making comments and you don't even know who your commenting about..Please tell me you are not that dumb!

  Please read before commenting!

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  "The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
  (Ok! He borrowed it)