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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

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  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  Just as a general suggestion for those on the board, if you are posting sarcastic comments, I suggest placing them between the following delimiters:

  <sarcasm> write text here </sarcasm>.

  That way, there will be no confusion.
  
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  Does the governing body know what they are doing?

  by Gefangene in

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  what do you guys think?.

  are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?.

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  They think they do, but in reality, they do not.

  For example, if you took these guys and dropped them in the middle of the Kalahari desert, would they be able to survive? I'm thinking no.
  
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  [RECAP] Southern California day-at-the-beach

  by Happy Guy in

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  thank you to everyone who made it out to the beach yesterday.

  it was a fantastic event.

  by my count, there were about 60 people.

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  That's a very nice picture, Happy Guy. I really like it.

  Thanks so much for sharing this. Wish I could have been there. Instead I was in the office meeting up with a colleague from Newfoundland. He told us about 'Iceberg Towing'. I think this could be my next career move!
  
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  "Just don't overthink the truth"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  so after almost a year of complete inactivity and non attendance, i ran into a nice brother from the local congregation.. after some nice chit-chat, he says "we really miss you and your family...etc...you were always the kind and supportive one, the approachable and encouraging one in the congregation.

  your absence has confused so many".

  i thanked him and said "oh no, no individual has stumbled us.

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  I watched my parents become disabled thinkers thanks to Botchtower. Both my parents also became chronically ill. The human brain is meant to be inquisitive. Attempting to shut this down causes problems.
  
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  Environmentalists? Not Necessarily, Helping Nonetheless....

  by Doubtfully Yours in

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  whether the average jw appreciates it or not (i certainly do not), the wtbts sure is helping in the environmentalists' movement of creating as much a paperless society as possible in order to preserve trees and create other favorable situations for humanity, such as avoiding so much trash and chemical waste involved in the printing/shipping process.. in order to help me adjust to this new phase within the org, i've reasoned it all this way.

  anybody else recognizes that this going all out electronic/computerized is, of course, first a most profitable effort, but also has a secondary benefit of helping out to preserve the environment.......?!.

  dy.

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  JW_Rogue said: JWs don't care much about the environment,

  I experienced this firsthand when recycling became the norm in our province. My Mom was livid that she had to start sorting her garbage. I asked her why she didn't think we should be looking after the Earth? She didn't really give an answer but my suspicion is that the JW mindset of 'God is going to fix everything once Armageddon comes' was very prevalent there.
  
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  Running ahead of Jehovah can be done with a slow walk.

  by donny in

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  a few days ago i read a post of someone who has recently awakened to what the watchtower bible and tract society really is.

  in their comments, they stated that they had been accused of "running ahead of jehovah.".

  "running ahead of jehovah" was a statement levied at me many times during my convoluted journey through that organization.

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  smiddy said: I guess Jehovah and/ or the organization have never heard the fact that "The distance between two points is a straight line"

  As opposed to tacking

  Good point smiddy. I think that only goes to show that their goal is not to be at all straight with anyone. I've never found any religion's mathematical or geological or orienteering abilities to be any good at all.
  
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  Great article about intelligent design in science without being religious

  by EndofMysteries in

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  for those who think that belief or the possibility of intelligent design means you must accept or believe everything or anything you have heard about god or a god is incorrect.

  i'll quote one line from the article, " but intelligent design, unlike creationism, is not based upon the bible.

  design is an inference from biological data, not a deduction from religious authority.

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  JWs Letters Target Recently Bereaved

  by steve2 in

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  current media attention in new zealand is focusing on the case of a woman whose male friend died three months.

  she received a handwritten letter personally addressed to her and her deceased friend with a series of questions about what happens after death.

  the woman was furious and, accompanied by news media, door-knocked the address provided by the letter writer.

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  JWs... the ambulance chasers of the religious world.
  
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  Was Jesus really a Jehovah`s Witness ? He never identified himself as such , in word or deed.

  by smiddy in

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  also he never chastised the jews for not identifying themselves as jehovah`s witnesses following isaiah`s statement at ch.43 :10-12 , so many years before hand.. and he had ample opportunity to do so on numerous occasions .. jesus himself never used the divine name /jehovah or any other equivalent , in any of his sayings attributed to him by his contemporaries .. sure he acknowledged god as his father and that he did his fathers will , but he never acknowledged him by a personal name such as jehovah or anything like it.. and lets not forget acts 11:26 it was first in antioch that followers of jesus by divine providence were to be called christians , not jehovah`s witnesses,.

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  While Jesus was not a Jehovah's Witness (the religion was founded well after he died), they do both hold at least one commonality. Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher who thought God was going to fix everything in his lifetime. So really, the JWs adopted this from a Jewish rabbi. What is odd is how much JWs actually hate the Jews, yet much of what they believe in came from a Jew.
  
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  Running ahead of Jehovah can be done with a slow walk.

  by donny in

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  2. beliefs

  a few days ago i read a post of someone who has recently awakened to what the watchtower bible and tract society really is.

  in their comments, they stated that they had been accused of "running ahead of jehovah.".

  "running ahead of jehovah" was a statement levied at me many times during my convoluted journey through that organization.

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  Here's their reference to the 'tacking' analogy: