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  So I just watched Jackson's ARC interview...

  by schnell in

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  thank you, everybody here, for introducing me to this.

  no, no i had not heard of this.

  child abuse issues have been roundly dismissed as apostate attacks in the congregations i've attended in the last decade.

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  And the rambling! Oh god, answer the question you politicking bastard.

  They are Teflon Men. Smarmy, slimy, it's-not-my-problem, f*ck-tards.

  When I found out the extent of the pedophilia going on in this religion, and how the men of authority in it dealt with this, it sickened me. I am embarrassed that some of my family are in this putrid cult.

  Angus Stewart did an awesome job. In my email to him I commended their work. I wondered how they had the energy to deal with all of this. If you are interested, I will post the content of my letter.

  From Angus Stewart, I learned of the conditions, what Angus called 'a perfect storm of conditions within Jehovah's Witnesses', that allow pedophilia to flourish. I have to say that I've added Angus to my list of heroes. Here is a graphic I created of that info:

  
  
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  The increasing WT magazine

  by darkspilver in

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  apart from the interesting block color change for the title strip on the front page.... the new 2017 wt mag has some new (updated printing figures):.

  2016: produced each issue: 58,987,000 available in 282 languages .

  2017: produced each issue: 61,651,000 available in 294 languages.

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  To put their numbers in perspective.... to supply just 1% of the world's population, they would have to be publishing 800 million copies of litter-a-trash.

  I don't think these people have received their ragazines yet, do you? I wonder how they download from jw dot borg?

  
  
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  So getting disfellowshipped sounds kind of great.

  by schnell in

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  i grew up in this religion, i was baptized at 14, married at 27, and now i'm 31. i'm also evolutionist and atheist.

  i wanted this to be the truth.

  i spent years as an apologist trying to reconcile everything.

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  Schnell said: @Heaven, heh, Christmas. Never had any desire to celebrate it but I do love my Christmas Vacation and Krampus was freaking awesome!

  The whole holiday thing is just weird. I seriously saw a conversation on Facebook where a brother asked if Bosses Day has pagan origins......

  Yeah, blame everything on the pagans. Or anyone else they feel aren't worthy... which is pretty much everyone who isn't a JW. If Christmas isn't your thing (it's not particularly mine either) then celebrate Yule/Winter Solstice. At least that is real.
  
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  So getting disfellowshipped sounds kind of great.

  by schnell in

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  i grew up in this religion, i was baptized at 14, married at 27, and now i'm 31. i'm also evolutionist and atheist.

  i wanted this to be the truth.

  i spent years as an apologist trying to reconcile everything.

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  Welcome schnell. Interestingly, your randomly appointed Avatar looks like a Christmas tree with arms, legs, eyes, a rather large proboscus, and Medusa type hair. Perfect for an apostate.
  
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  What is meant by the expression

  by poopie in

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  persistent spiritual association?.

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  poopie said: Don't elders have spiritual based discussions with df ones. Do not parents have spiritual discussions with do children living in home

  'Discussions'? No, there are no discussions. It's Botchtower's way or the boot-in-the-ass-shun-them way,
  
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  Potential Muslim convert

  by StopTheTears in

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  about a month ago, i purchased arabic/english gospels of john that contain a commentary for muslims.. .

  i went to one of my neighbors and spoke to him and gave him one.

  fast forward to today, my brakes need done so i took my car to the shop, walking back into my street i saw my friend abdullah outside.. .

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  Driving Force said: When I was "In" as a dub, my experience with Muslims was that they will not convert because every other Muslim then has the right to kill them.

  I had a study with man from Afghanistan, he stopped he was threatened with retribution (death), and a man Pakistan, he was also threatened with death and stopped.

  
  
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  What is meant by the expression

  by poopie in

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  persistent spiritual association?.

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  Persistent spiritual association?

  The word 'persistent' seems to mean 'constant' and therefore, has a connotation of 'harrassing'.

  What is meant by this phrase?

  Let's drive you nuts!
  
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  My Ex Wife Admitted She Doesnt Believe It's The Truth

  by pale.emperor in

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  my ex-wife actually opened up to me today over the phone.

  she was quite anxious and, i could sense, i little upset.

  for those that dont know my situation im separated from my wife.

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  I am glad she sees JWs are not the Truth.

  The first steps to resolving any problem are to accept there is a problem and identify what the problem is. I sure hope she can move on to the next steps or she'll be miserable her entire life.
  
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  JWs- “SCIENCE IS A DISTRACTION TO MY FAITH"

  by Giles Gray in

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  “after our discussion last week i asked myself ‘do i need to go into the depth of science to make sure of what i believe’, and my answer was that i don’t need to go into science because science would be a distraction to what i already know with my faith…”the above is a quote from a conversation i had with two jws who called on me at the weekend.

  i knew that the standards of the jws had declined, but what i experienced the weekend really highlighted that fact and it was quite a surprised.amazingly they came back, but this time i had the presence of mind to record the entire visit which is really going to help me examine how these people think.they were coming back on the topic of the evidence of evolution and how this contradicts their interpretation of the bible.

  i had sent them an email that dealt with the topic of nature’s vestiges and i asked them to explain the biological atavisms that occur in whales and humans.

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  Giles said: I was surprised they didnt know that dolphins can't breath underwater though. Most children would have known that.
  

  Perhaps this lack of Scientific knowledge is more common than we realize.
  

  A couple of years ago, I had a conversation with a couple of Christians. Their lack of basic Scientific knowledge was quite surprising. For example, they did not know what the Earth would be like if there was no sun. Now they live in the Northern Hemisphere of this planet and have definitely experienced winter. These were the same Christians that told me I was taking the order of creation in Genesis "out of context" when I pointed out that the Bible states plants, soil, water, and an atmosphere were all here on the Earth before the sun was created. This is not possible. When I asked them to explain how I was taking those scriptures out of context, they could not.
  

  In the video, right at the end of the discussion, Woody Harrelson's character walks away and flips Matthew McConaughey's character the bird. This is the type of response one receives from believers when logic and reason are unable to be overruled. Belief and faith are highly based on emotional ideals, instead of reality, facts, logic, and reason.
  
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  JWs- “SCIENCE IS A DISTRACTION TO MY FAITH"

  by Giles Gray in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “after our discussion last week i asked myself ‘do i need to go into the depth of science to make sure of what i believe’, and my answer was that i don’t need to go into science because science would be a distraction to what i already know with my faith…”the above is a quote from a conversation i had with two jws who called on me at the weekend.

  i knew that the standards of the jws had declined, but what i experienced the weekend really highlighted that fact and it was quite a surprised.amazingly they came back, but this time i had the presence of mind to record the entire visit which is really going to help me examine how these people think.they were coming back on the topic of the evidence of evolution and how this contradicts their interpretation of the bible.

  i had sent them an email that dealt with the topic of nature’s vestiges and i asked them to explain the biological atavisms that occur in whales and humans.

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  Giles, well done!

  What a great way to face the challenge of evidence that disproves their belief. Don’t even bother looking at it just in case it contradicts what they already believe.

  Religion is ignorance, delusion, and intellectual dishonestly. I see no redeeming qualities in this.

  Edited to add this excerpt from True Detective about Religion. It's spot on from what I have observed:
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RfUj09pWfM