If everyone is telling you that you're drunk, you must be sober.
Airtight logic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.
If everyone is telling you that you're drunk, you must be sober.
Airtight logic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.
I do enjoy seeing Atheists and fundamentalists working in union
Intellectual dishonesty is easy to spot - regardless of theological disposition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.
No more than the atheist that can't admit that he does not have all the answers but can't accept God as a possible one, even though he doesn't know enough to rule God out completly.
Come on. You're smart enough to know why that line of thinking is a load of horse-hockey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.
Don't we all create (what I like to call) comfortable delusions for ourselves in order to get through life?
Like what?
without sounding crass or being impudent or deliberately caustic i'd just like to know one thing.. what does jesus do all day, exactly?.
is it interesting for him?.
is it productive?
And many studies show that individuals that believe in God are happier than those who do not believe in God.
That reminds me of one of my favorite quotes;
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." George Bernard Shaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.
Sure, it's unpredictable, arbitrary and impossible to define. However, these Christians use their brains/logic/reason to reject many things that would harmful and/or hateful.
The only problem with it is that is a system of beliefs that are completely supported by themselves, rather than any empirical data or verified sources.
The liberals view of the bible and which parts they are going to pick out starts with the assumption that God is totally awesome and nice and loving and friendly and all that - when, as Gladiator pointed out, the complete opposite could very well also be true. He could be absolutely awful. Either view of God is similarly "supported", in that neither is "supported" at all, they are just assumptions.
And then everything else is built on top of that assumption - which is a rather poor foundation.
So I'm not sure which I have more respect for. Liberal Christians do not appear insane, like fundies - but they do appear intellectually dishonest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.
I still find it difficult to fathom out how you pick and choose Scripture that support how you imagine a God should be, while discounting Scriptures that portray him in an unfavourable light; otherwise known as darkness.
I think of it like an If/Then checklist with liberal Christians.
Read a passage about God...
Do I like it? If Yes, then God! - If No, Not God, then it's just writers perhaps mistaken idea of God... try to find purpose in passage anyhow.
Read passage about what God does...
Does it make sense/can it be supported by facts?
If yes, then God hooray! In no, then not God...allegory or legend.
etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.
Right some of them are Satan's Soldiers.
Iiiiiii...wanna rock and roll all niiiiiiiight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.
I assume satisfaction with god(s) based on something Marcus Aurelius said.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.
PSac -- You're a father, so let's ask you. If you knew before your wife got pregnant, that the child would born blind and would have a disease that would cause a slow, painful death over 20 or 30 years, would you reconsider getting pregnant or would you carry on? (The blilndness and disease are nothing compared to an eternity of Hell, but I would never allow that to happen if I knew I could prevent it.)
In this case are you not also causing your child's torturous death? (wherein you are God, of course)