there have been numerous posts and threads on jwn about why a rational person should re-think trust in the bible as the inspired and inerrant word of god.
these are usually based on clear and logical thinking and reasoning.. the wts and other religious entities have published tracts and books to convince people that the bible is indeed the inspired and inerrant word of god.
these are usually based on circular and fallacious thinking and reasoning.
If it were not for the Catholic Church, there would be no Bible for Christians.
Which is why the Witness stance of inerrancy, while at the same time demonizing the Catholic Church, is completely hypocritical and absurd. Obviously motivated by jealousy.
ok i was debating on doing this post but here it goes.
i have not put down my whole story on this board but enough for everyone to know that my problem with the "truth" is sex offenders.. i have fought and fought the elders and they win.
they will allow child molesters and i cannot stop that.
You won't make another decision in your life that will bring you as much joy and relief as this one will - I guarantee it.
Not having to go to these never-ending, mind-numbingly-boring meetings is the greatest blessing of all. The part we miss is the association before and after...the rest we can certainly do without.
there have been numerous posts and threads on jwn about why a rational person should re-think trust in the bible as the inspired and inerrant word of god.
these are usually based on clear and logical thinking and reasoning.. the wts and other religious entities have published tracts and books to convince people that the bible is indeed the inspired and inerrant word of god.
these are usually based on circular and fallacious thinking and reasoning.
Why, based on clear and logical thinking and reasoning, should one trust the Bible as the inspired and inerrant Word of God?
I would say the only people who still cling to that old chestnut are people who have little to no knowledge of the bible - that is, they don't understand how the bible got from it's writers to us. They may have some fuzzy idea that God dictated it to his earthly secretaries via the ol' Holy Spirit....hopefully they don't think it plopped out of the sky one day...but they really have no education on the journey through self-appointed ratifying agencies that the bible took, or they don't understand why that matters.
in response to yknot *** please note the wts doesn't believe in sola scriptura (bible understood alone by individuals), if you are 'lurker' and want to refute this fact, please start a new thread or feel free to pm me ...... (reproof will be accepted if you can show me my error of understanding on the matter).
in the words of the ethiopian "how can i," he said, "unless someone explains it to me?
" so he invited philip to come up and sit with him.
Or when Jesus states in John that we will not need a teacher for the HS will teach us.
Which creates a litany of obvious problems that have been exploited by the organizations like the WTS ever since Jesus went away, unfortunately.
i don't post here much, so hopefully i put this in the right section.
if not, let me know.. i've emailed my aunt about the new generation change, just to see her reaction to it and what her mindset is.
i tried to keep it simple and not attack her personally as she has a heart of gold and has been a jw 40+ years.
Good point, sir82.
I read from someone on these forums something along the same line, and they used a good illustration.
You can compare the JW mindset to someone walking on train tracks, who has been informed that a train is bearing down on them. The normal-thinking person understands that they simply need to step off the train tracks that they are on, and avoid the train. The JW mindset dictates that they cannot step off these tracks, no matter what, until someone gives them a better set of tracks to step on. Unfortunately a better set doesn't exist, because they pre-empt any discussion by setting up the JWs as the pinnacle (i.e. show me another organization that goes house to house worldwide as extensively as we do - they set up parameters that only the JWs can win at. It would be kind of like a Steelers fan saying "Show me another team that has 6 super bowl championships and I'll root for THAT team!")
But it's not our responsibility to give them another set of train tracks. I've also heard it put this way; If I tell you the movie theatre you're sitting in is on fire, I've fulfilled my obligation. I'm not also obligated to search the city for other movie theatres and list the movie times for you so that you can watch another movie.
But people like this are comfortable in their "slumber". Your challenges represent a threat to their entire way of life and thinking, so they're ignored until they have a reason to acknowledge them. The WTS has an answer for every objection you will raise, and it doesn't matter how stupid that answer is, all that matters is that it exists and it will be accepted by the good cult member.
in response to yknot *** please note the wts doesn't believe in sola scriptura (bible understood alone by individuals), if you are 'lurker' and want to refute this fact, please start a new thread or feel free to pm me ...... (reproof will be accepted if you can show me my error of understanding on the matter).
in the words of the ethiopian "how can i," he said, "unless someone explains it to me?
" so he invited philip to come up and sit with him.
See Also: The necessity of having a teacher as it relates to infinite regression.
so i was talking to one of my "apologist" friends, and he just got back from a mormon outreach mission in utah.
he was able to help a 17 year old mormon girl to begin to see the truth and was really excited about it.
he goes to these temple conventions and temple openings all the time to preach jesus to them.. so he was interested in doing that at a jw convention.
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does god have a visible organization today?.
well, whether we agree with them or not, the governing body of jehovah's witnesses certainly believes he does have, and they tell us, that the watchtower bible and tract society is that visible organization.
as we see, they also tell us that their watchtower society is the channel or instrument through which the spiritual food is delivered to other members of the household.. 1939 "we acknowledge as the visible organization of jehovah on earth the watchtower bible & tract society, and recognize the society as the channel or instrument through which jehovah and christ jesus give instruction and meat in due season to the household of faith.
But if you blaspheme the Lord of Denny's I will f*cking cut you.
in the past, i was hardly keen on reading for pleasure but i have been cracking open some of the more, uh, classic(?
) writings lately in an attempt to broaden my limited understanding.
i'm pretty taken with thomas paine's the age of reason at the moment but i've also come across a number of quotes from nietzsche and oscar wilde that make a great deal of sense to me.
It is from the study of the true theology that all our knowledge of science is derived; and it is from that knowledge that all the arts have originated.
The Almighty lecturer, by displaying the principles of science in the structure of the universe, has invited man to study and to imitation. It is as if he had said to the inhabitants of this globe that we call ours, "I have made an earth for man to dwell upon, and I have rendered the starry heavens visible, to teach him science and the arts. He can now provide for his own comfort, AND LEARN FROM MY MUNIFICENCE TO ALL, TO BE KIND TO EACH OTHER."
in the past, i was hardly keen on reading for pleasure but i have been cracking open some of the more, uh, classic(?
) writings lately in an attempt to broaden my limited understanding.
i'm pretty taken with thomas paine's the age of reason at the moment but i've also come across a number of quotes from nietzsche and oscar wilde that make a great deal of sense to me.
Reading through the Age of Reason again....so good, I'll just keep posting comments that make me go A-ha! as I go through it.
If Jesus Christ was the being which those mythologists tell us he was, and that he came into this world to suffer, which is a word they sometimes use instead of 'to die,' the only real suffering he could have endured would have been 'to live.' His existence here was a state of exilement or transportation from heaven, and the way back to his original country was to die.--In fine, everything in this strange system is the reverse of what it pretends to be. It is the reverse of truth, and I become so tired of examining into its inconsistencies and absurdities, that I hasten to the conclusion of it, in order to proceed to something better.
