i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
Superpunk, dude, you don't know the bible and you threw it away. You've shown that in what you've said about it. I'm not presumptuous. Do you even know what that means? I didn't accuse anyone of anything. All I said was to examine something before you toss it aside.
Somehow you aren't seeing that you're assuming we didn't examine the bible before we tossed it aside....hmmm.
i received a call a few hours ago from an elder.of course he didn't call me to ask how i was or if i needed help.instead he told me that "the youth and some older brothers" of my congregation will gather (at another elder's house,you see 2 elders to "get a hold of the situation") to talk about the "internet,facebook etc dangers".i told him that i will go.hmmm...it's going to be an interesting conversation..
Instead he told me that "the youth and some older brothers" of my congregation will gather (at another elder's house,you see 2 elders to "get a hold of the situation") to talk about the "Internet,facebook etc dangers"
I'm assuming the "et cetera" is things like The Boogeyman, Global Warming and Mel Gibson. All as dangerous as they internet and facebook.
I'll give you 10 dollars if you stand up in the middle and go "Look. I'm sick of this hypocrisy. I look at internet porn, you look at internet porn, we all look at internet porn. Quit pretending."
my mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
That's really as far as I'm interested in defending the position, bd. I know PSac understands and accepts the bible's flaws but still appreciates it and is a believer, so maybe he can help. I simply know it can be done.
Here's an interesting thread for you.
Written by a believer, posted by a believer (BTS is Catholic I believe). There are plenty of things that the bible says happened that never happened, or were embellished, or whatever.There are plenty of unfulfilled prophecies in the bible, uttered by God's "prophets". None of this means the bible isn't God's word.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
I agree about questioning the Bible. We need to. But that means searching it. That means giving it a chance before you throw it away.
Someone is being a bit presumptuous.
my mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
Superpunk, first of all, Timothy didn't write Timothy. It was written by Paul TO Timothy who was serving as an overseer to various churches.
Yeah my bad. Just typing too fast.
The context of the chapter is what would happen in the last days. The beginning of the chapter begins with a list of traits that would be manifest by people living before Jesus second coming. People would claim to be lovers of God but they would deny all the power that is associated with that. Vs 6 talks about people (like the WT) and what they would do to weak willed people. In vs 15 Paul speaks EXACTLY of what scripture he is talking about. He says that Timothy, from infancy, knew the "holy Scriptures which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus." Then he takes away all doubt about where these very scriptures came from. They are from God, or God breathed. They make men COMPLETE.
None of that adresses what I said. Namely that;
Paul was not talking about THE BIBLE. No such thing existed, and would not for hundreds of years.
None of that means THE BIBLE (which Paul was not even talking about in the first place) must be without error. It's filled with errors. Accept it. Then figure out whether or not you are ok with them. But denying that they are there is just silly, and it's just as silly to declare that you must accept it all as inerrant and inspired or none at all. If you know anything about the compilation of the bible you know that not only was alot of what Paul might have considered "scripture" was left out in the compilation, and others were held in after much debate. Revelation made the cut by the skin of it's teeth.
my mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
But if the Word of God has flaws then 2Tim 3:16 could not be correct.
Based on your knowledge of biblical history (IOW the history of the bible) what could Timothy have POSSIBLY been speaking about when he said "All Scripture"? Think about his time period, and the context of who he was writing to.
I think a Christian (who does) could explain better why you can accept both - i.e. 2 Timothy is correct, AND the bible is not inerrant. I could go into it but it would probably mean less coming from me.
if the day jesus died is the most important in the history of man, providing 'salvation' - then i have to ask two questions: why did the gospel writers wait decades to record those final hours, instead of doing so immediately?
if god later 'inspired' them to do so, why couldn't they agree on what jesus said in his absolute final words?
matt 27:46,50: "and about the ninth hour jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "eli, eli, lama sabachthani?
The defense rests, your honor.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
How much faith do you expend NOT believing in something is a silly question.
I thought it was a good one.
I'm talking about Atheists having faith in scientific theory that cannot be proved. How much faith does THAT take?
My guess is that it would take alot. I don't know any atheists who do this, though, so I don't know for sure.
my mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
You say there is no way the bible can be absolutely correct.
There isn't "no way" it could be absolutely correct. There is a way, it simply isn't.
That doesn't mean, however, that if I so chose, that I could not "believe the bible" as you suggested earlier. I know plenty of Christians who understand the bible's flaws and at the same time appreciate it as a communication of God's will or plan or whatever to us.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
I had a feeling I'd get responses like these. The Bible predicts that there would be an overwhelming amount of "scoffers". So it's to be expected. Instead of it making me upset, I guess it makes me sad.
Lighten up, brotherdan. ;) It's all in good fun.
I still hold that it takes more faith to believe in atheism.
That's fine. Believers have all sorts of silly ideas. How much faith would you say you expend every day by NOT believing in Krishna? Or Big Foot? Does it take alot of faith? Or a little? Or none at all?
