i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
The Hebrews did have a word for sphere, or ball;
Duwr
Isaiah even used this word in chapter 22 verse 18.
Their word for circle, Chuwg, is the one he used in chapter 40. In the bible, this always refers to a circle as scribed with a compass - a flat disk. The bible is consistent in it's representation of the earth as flat.
my mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
debator:
How do you personally mesh those attempts (regardless of what you want to call them) with Jesus' explicit declaration that "Noone knows the day and the hour"?
Isn't reading that, and then STILL trying to ascertain the day and the hour, kind of like a big "Eff You" to Jesus?
I guess debator doesn't want to talk about this?
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
I believe there is a poster here who's SN is asphereisnotacircle (or vice versa).
It really comes down to that. Many bible passages reveal that the bible writers thought the earth was flat, had limits or ends, and some of the bible writers had conflicting ideas about whether the earth had "foundations" or whether it "hung upon nothing". In this instance, there is a perfectly good Hebrew word for "ball" or sphere - if that was what the bible writer wanted to convey, he would have used that rather than "circle", or flat disk.
This was the impression the bible writers had, and thus the impression the early church had, which is why they opposed round-earth heresy so vehemently - it directly contradicts the biblical account.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
If you believe the Earth is round, rather than flat (as stated in Scripture), does this make you a 'Liberal' Christian?
It would appear to be relative to the time period you lived in.
For instance, what was considered rebellious by our parents and grandparents would now be considered quaint and conservative.
Oh, KISS, the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, AC/DC?
Please....tame as hell. :)
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
Well, it can't be denied that such a rigid attachment to biblical literalism, even in just the examples I mentioned, has served as a hindrance to the progress of humanity.
So if progressive Christianity is moving away from that sort of literalism, I don't see how that can be considered a bad thing.
Honestly, in 10 or 20 years we will consider conservative Christianity's claims that evolution is heretical just as silly as looking back and seeing the Church imprison scientists for daring to suggest that the earth was not the center of the universe.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
Yeah, I am aware that a large amount of liberal Christians have adopted the evolution theory. Since I believe totally and completely in the Bible, I don't agree with them. I support the arguments for a young earth, and think they have a valid argument. I think alot has seeped into modern Christianity today that should not have. The emergent church really seems to be going off on a very unbiblical course.
Throughout history, the Church has said similar things about scientific concepts like heliocentricism, round earth and gravity. I, for one, am glad that Christianity is moving away from that sort of rigid attachment to their perception of ancient writings.
my mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
debator:
How do you personally mesh those attempts (regardless of what you want to call them) with Jesus' explicit declaration that "Noone knows the day and the hour"?
Isn't reading that, and then STILL trying to ascertain the day and the hour, kind of like a big "Eff You" to Jesus?
my mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
Also, we do not have to go back very far to see the WT claim inspiration and prophetic powers. They still claim it today. Yes, they say "We are not inspired", but then they say "We are not speaking mens words. We are speaking Jehovah's Words."
Ever watched the Office?
There's an episode where Michael (the manager) thinks he's going to get in trouble for an idea he had, so he claims it was someone else's idea. But the idea is a big success, so he's confronted at the end because he now wants credit. When his boss asks him what it is he wants, he says
"I want all of the credit, but none of the blame."
That's the Governing Body in a nutshell.
forget about noahs ark; there was no worldwide flood.
many people have contacted me about the recent claims by a group called noahs ark ministries international.1 the evangelical organization claims to have discovered noahs ark.2 i have responded on several occasions to these dubious claims on my blog.3 and still, this group has stood behind their claim,4 insisting that what they have found is real based largely on the belief that because the bible says the flood and the ark are historical, it must be so.
so, instead of addressing their spurious claims yet again, i thought i would approach the issue from a different angle: forget about noahs ark; there was no world-wide flood.. the worldwide flood described in genesis 6-9 is not historical, but rather a combination of at least two flood stories, both of which descended from earlier mesopotamian flood narratives.
Perry, rocketman already explained all of that quite nicely.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
Do us a favor and come back to this thread in a year from now and see if your opinions and thoughts then match what you say now... you may be surprised at yourself. I know I was when I compared what I know now with what I was trying to rationalize then.
That's pretty good advice. I'm sure alot of us can remember saying some of the exact same things brotherdan is saying now when we were first finding our way out. Then we look back and we're like "WTF were we going on about?" lol Good advice.
