Oh NewChapter,you know who else besides you liked to make laws? (And make people wear flair?) The Nazis!
Razziel
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Godwin's Law of JWN---Need help naming it!
by NewChapter infirst, a definition of godwin's law:.
godwin's law (also known as godwin's rule of nazi analogies or godwin's law of nazi analogies[1][2]) is a humorous observation made by mike godwin in 1990[2] that has become an internet adage.
it states: "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving nazis or hitler approaches 1.
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Godwin's Law of JWN---Need help naming it!
by NewChapter infirst, a definition of godwin's law:.
godwin's law (also known as godwin's rule of nazi analogies or godwin's law of nazi analogies[1][2]) is a humorous observation made by mike godwin in 1990[2] that has become an internet adage.
it states: "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving nazis or hitler approaches 1.
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Razziel
Acronym: Circular Or Fallacious Thinking. Usage: Your argument is COFTY.
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For Burns....................
by dinah ina song you posted 5 years ago..................you have bared your skin.
stop calling me a bitch for having an opinion.
that is a beautifil song, the lyrics.
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Razziel
Hey man, nice shot.
"I thank the good Lord for giving me 47 years of invigorating challenges, stimulating experiences, many happy occasions, and, most of all, the finest wife and children a man could ever desire.
Now my life has changed, for no apparent reason. People who call and write are exasperated and feel helpless. They know I'm innocent and want to help. But in this nation, the world's greatest democracy, there is nothing they can do to prevent me from being punished for a crime they know I did not commit. Some who have called have said that I am a modern-day Job. Judge Muir is also noted for his medieval sentences. I face a maximum sentence of 55 years in prison and a $300,000 fine for being innocent. Judge Demiria has already told the press that he, quote, 'felt invigorated' when we were found guilty, and that he plans to imprison me as a deterrent to other public officials. But it wouldn't be a deterrent because every public official who knows me knows that I am innocent; it wouldn't be a legitimate punishment because I've done nothing wrong. Since I'm a victim of political persecution, my prison would simply be an American gulag. I ask those that believe in me to continue to extend friendship and prayer to my family, to work untiringly for the creation of a true justice system here in the United States, and to press on with the efforts to vindicate me, so that my family and their future families are not tainted by this injustice that has been perpetrated on me. We were confident that right and truth would prevail, and I would be acquitted and we would devote the rest of our lives working to create a justice system here in the United States. The guilty verdict has strengthened that resolve. But as we discuss our plans to expose the warps of our legal system, people have said, 'Why bother, no one cares.' 'You look foolish.' '60 Minutes, 20/20, the ACLU, Jack Anderson, and others have been publicizing cases like yours for years and it doesn't bother anyone.'I've repeatedly said that I'm not going to resign as State Treasurer. After many hours of thought and meditation I've made a decision that should not be an example to anyone because it is unique to my situation. Last May I told you that after the trial, I would give you the story of the decade. To those of you who are shallow, the events of this morning will be that story. But to those of you with depth and concern the real story will be what I hope and pray results from this morning--in the coming months and years, the development of a true Justice System here in the United States. I am going to die in office in an effort to ...see if the shame[-ful] facts, spread out in all their shame, will not burn through our civic shamelessness and set fire to American pride. Please tell my story on every radio and television station and in every newspaper and magazine in the U.S. Please leave immediately if you have a weak stomach or mind since I don't want to cause physical or mental distress. Joanne, Rob, DeeDee - I love you! Thank you for making my life so happy. Good bye to you all on the count of 3. Please make sure that the sacrifice of my life is not in vain.
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For Burns....................
by dinah ina song you posted 5 years ago..................you have bared your skin.
stop calling me a bitch for having an opinion.
that is a beautifil song, the lyrics.
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Razziel
Awww how cute.
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Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)
by Me Myself and I inthis particular bowl of soup has been bubbling for some time now, with various posturing and toing and froing.
looking at the media and the subsequent comments from israel regarding iran, it looks clear that something is going to happen soon, very soon..... with iran having the ears of both china and russia, israel having the us and of course we (uk) as the states poodle on the other side.
i wonder if this could be the beginning of the end?.
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Razziel
The attack will probably go through Saudi Arabia's airspace. They've been begging pretty much everyone behind the scenes for the last few years to stop Iran's nuclear program. They won't give a green light in public, but they'll turn a blind eye, and probably give tacit approval at the highest level.
Ever read of Operation Opera? Regardless of whether strategic goals are met, on a tactical level, Israel is capable of military brilliance. Flying deceptively as a border patrol between Jordan and Saudi Arabia, then conversing in Saudi accents when in Jordanian airspace, then in Jordanian accents when in Saudi airspace. Then flying at altitudes of less than 100 ft to avoid Iraqi radar.
An attack on Iran is a completely different scenario, and much more complex as there are multiple sites to hit. However, the Mossad (Israeli Special Operations) has a significant presence in Iran as well as proxies in some of the anti-Iranian gov't groups. They've had multiple clandestine successes in causing explosions at Iranian facilities and assassinating Iranian scientists over the last couple of years. I expect sabotage from the ground immediately before an air attack to provide deception and confusion in Iranian defenses, and to soften targets.
Iran is a different cookie than North Korea. North Korea poses more of an immediate threat to South Korea regardless of nukes simply because Seoul is only 35 miles south of the border and there are something like 10,000 artillery pieces and hundreds of ballistic missiles trained on Seoul. North Korea is also secular communism and has a history of using threats as a bartering tool. Even before UN sanctions, their economy was abysmal and their people were starving.
Iran on the other hand is a proclaimed theocracy, and does not seem to be using threats as a bartering tool. They are also not an immediate threat to Israel without nuclear weapons. Their populace is also much more educated than that of North Korea, and there are organized groups in Iran that want a democratic government. Before UN sanctions, their economy was the 17th largest in the world, only 50% of it was government planned, and much of it was privatized and publically traded on their stock exchange.
NK is third world and has a quick way to concessions, loans, and aid with threats. Iran is not third world, has an educated populace, and had a vibrant economy before UN sanctions. They don't need threats or weapons as a bargaining tool. And they don't need nuclear power for energy. They don't need highly enriched uranium to power research reactors to produce isotopes to treat cancer patients. Why are they so intent on it?
Personally, when I hear North Korea talk about how they'll turn South Korea into a Sea of Fire, I hear radical propoganda. When I hear Iran talk about wiping Israel off the map, and denying the holocaust, I hear radical ideology. And ideology is much worse than propoganda.
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Weird Pic in Awake - Jesus Looks Very Pleased About Something.
by cofty ina new member of the jws forum has posted this scan of a picture in the french edition the april 2011 awake.. i have never believed the subversive wt artist stories but this one is funny.. .
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Razziel
"Even though it becomes necessary at the beginning to rise a half hour earlier than he could wish."
Well I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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Are black people more emotional than white people
by barry ini see in churches in the states standing up in church dancing, clapping their hands and being quite emotional even in a church.
things which that wouldnt be acceptable in australia.. the link below also shows black sda ministers dressed in clergy style dress which is quite unusual for ministers here in australia.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynbdm0unsw&feature=g-all&context=g2e791f1faaaaaaaamaas .
could any of my american friends inform me i showed it to my father who is a lay preacher and he was mistified as to what tradition this dress comes from but seems to be concentrated to th eblack community also?.
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Razziel
Could any of my American friends inform me I showed it to my father who is a lay preacher and he was mistified as to what tradition this dress comes from but seems to be concentrated to th eblack community also?
Interesting how we all jumped on the thread title and missed this question, eh? I don't know the origins, but a quick check of wikipedia says: "The cassock derives historically from the tunic that in ancient Rome was worn underneath the toga and the chiton that was worn beneath the himation in ancient Greece." So I'd guess this tradition was handed down through the Roman Catholic Church.
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The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings
by cedars ini've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.
http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.
the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.
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Razziel
Ok. I would like to tell you that the tree of "the knowledge of good and bad" was just a tree, it was a fruit tree, but it didn't have any special "properties";
Ok, I agree with you there, but you later disagree with yourself.
I don't want to post too much here from your article, but love is so much more than "an emotional attribute." I've just leave it there.
Well it depends on your definition of love. I like to think it's deeper than just a biological and chemical response to external stimulii, (I.E. it's a conscious decision), but I'm not to sure that's not wishful thinking.
I understand that you think this "tree of life" to have been the source of everlasting life, but this isn't "evident" to me, and this may be because I cannot wrap my mind around the idea of a tree having something that even God's son didn't have until he was granted to have life in himself, and this was after his baptism, This sounds to me like you think of the tree of life as a kind of "magic tree," a tree imbued with properties that could give to anyone that eats of its fruit everlasting life, except Adam didn't know about the tree of life.
So we agree the tree of life was symbolic. Otherwise let's leave Jesus out of it. He wasn't relevant to what happened in the Garden of Eden unless you believe in predestination. As you mentioned, Adam didn't have the Bible, and he surely didn't know about Jesus. Obviously, if Adam hadn't sinned, Jesus' sacrifice wouldn't have been needed. Oh, and the WT says eventually Adam would have gotten immortality if he hadn't sinned. So obviously the means exists outside of Jesus sacrifice, even if it wasn't in the form of a tree.
What "properties"? I don't see a thing that could confuse you here. The Bible doesn't talk about properties.
You know what he's talking about. When a noun is proceeded by adjectives, it's describing properties of the noun. For example, if I say "that douchebag djegnogg", I'm referring to someone who has surpassed the level of jerk or asshole, however has not yet reached fucker or motherfucker.
What's the nexus between Adam and Eve's having been created in God's likeness and the fact that they rebelled against God's rulership by opting for self-rule?
You avoided the question, and attributed God's response to sarcasm. I'm sure there must be another example of God being sarcastic (seriously there must be), but no, it doesn't count when the prophet sarcastically asked if a false god was using the privy.
This was Lie #1.
Well, interpetations of 1,000 yrs and spiritual death aside, they didn't die anytime soon. Inference and interpetations = mental gymnastics.
Adam and Eve were like the teenager that decides that now that he has finished high school and has a job, he can now emancipate himself and move away from home and get his own apartment, so that he no longer has to do any of the chores he hated doing, except he comes to the realization that apartment life means more than just paying the rent. This was Lie #2.
Not the best analogy, seeing as most teenagers move out for some reason along these lines, but eventually have a successful life and don't suffer a death sentence. Still, from my days in JW-land where any sort of independence was devil-induced, I understand the point you're trying to make.
The serpent told Eve that she wouldn't die
It depends on how technical you want to get. God told them they would die in the day of eating the fruit, but evidently he meant a thousand year day. Satan told Eve she wouldn't die that die, and evidently he meant a solar day.
and misled her into believing something to be true about her becoming like God in knowing what is good and bad that clearly wasn't true.
From your own words: "Furthermore, they had become like God"
As I say above, God was being sarcastic when he indicated that they had come to know "good and bad,"
People often read more into the Bible than it says.
Perhaps you are too.
I would suggest that you stop reading things into Scripture that isn't there and this will keep you from postulating things from non-facts.
/lol I know in your mind your interpetations are fact, but you are doing exactly what you warn against when you assign motives, emotions, and intentions to ambiguous passages in God's word.
Evidently Satan had no idea that God has designated any of the trees as a "tree of life," for in that case he would surely have said to Eve instead:
Once again telling us what God would have / should have said.
This might explain the reaction of Adam and Eve to their nakedness.
A guilty conscience would explain their peculiar behavior since they had sinned, they had previously had nothing about which to feel guilty. Adam gave he and his wife away by telling God that they were naked when God had never told either of them that they were naked. With that "confession," God knew exactly what has transpired.
Nothing really explains this. It's one thing to feel guilty for disobeying, it's another to feel guilty for a concept you know nothing about. If they all of the sudden realized that being naked was something to be ashamed of, we go back to the concept of the tree of knowledge having some magical aspect.
You seem to be of the opinion that the fruit that Adam and Eve ate that they should not have eaten poisoned their bodies or changed them in some way, but what is the scriptural basis for such speculation on your part?
Do the semantics really matter? The results are the same. Paradise lost. All descendents grow old and die. Whether the fruit was poisoned by God, or God decreed inherited death, or God terminated the power source, the results are the same.
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Are black people more emotional than white people
by barry ini see in churches in the states standing up in church dancing, clapping their hands and being quite emotional even in a church.
things which that wouldnt be acceptable in australia.. the link below also shows black sda ministers dressed in clergy style dress which is quite unusual for ministers here in australia.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynbdm0unsw&feature=g-all&context=g2e791f1faaaaaaaamaas .
could any of my american friends inform me i showed it to my father who is a lay preacher and he was mistified as to what tradition this dress comes from but seems to be concentrated to th eblack community also?.
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Razziel
Personally, I think one of the reasons the US is one of the greatest nations in history is because we have been a melting pot for all races, cultures, and genders.
I'll attack my own post. That quote might be in danger if conservative Repubs have their way. /snicker Though considering our history, since 1776, we've fought internally every step of the way towards immigration, suffrage, and equal rights.
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Are black people more emotional than white people
by barry ini see in churches in the states standing up in church dancing, clapping their hands and being quite emotional even in a church.
things which that wouldnt be acceptable in australia.. the link below also shows black sda ministers dressed in clergy style dress which is quite unusual for ministers here in australia.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynbdm0unsw&feature=g-all&context=g2e791f1faaaaaaaamaas .
could any of my american friends inform me i showed it to my father who is a lay preacher and he was mistified as to what tradition this dress comes from but seems to be concentrated to th eblack community also?.
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Razziel
I'll bite, and touch the subject with a 10ft anonymous internet pole.
Are black people more emotional than white people? I don't know. What I do know, is there are is both empirical scientific research and genetic differences between races and genders. I wish we could strike a balance about it without being considered either racist or anal-retentive in political correctness. Do some people use that as an excuse to be racist or sexist? Yes. Do some people deny facts because of political correctness? Yes.
Some groups statistically are more prone to certain diseases, are more intelligent, are more athletic, etc, etc. This is even after you control for variables such as education, nutrition, etc. But in all categories, there is a lot of overlap. Enough overlap that stereotyping among races/genders is not justified (usually the difference is just a few percentage points). But it doesn't mean that from a statistical standpoint those differences are non-existant. And it doesn't mean anyone should be denied equal rights, or anyone should be denied the opportunity to live up to their potential.
Personally, I think one of the reasons the US is one of the greatest nations in history is because we have been a melting pot for all races, cultures, and genders.