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ps, not to be kinky but could you elaborate on this, nothingman
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I used to skip out on morning worship as much as I could, opting instead for a bagle & coffee from this little place on hicks st.. but I was bummed that I missed the day when Losche went off on how once women get it, they develop this craving for it & have to have it all the time... I wish I heard his whole comment.. maybe you remember that JT.. & could remind me.. How long ago did you leave?
For a while I just used to think it was an european thing, losch is wierd because has a different background & that's cool.. but I think that if there is such a thing as objectivity, he's probably just plain wacked..
Barber was a cool old grandpa type, who you'd just watch & feel sorry that people get old. He loved the camera, & every young sister who went on tour probably still has a photograph with Barber's arm around her.. "Hey, did you get your money's worth" he'd ask every group that passed, because of course the joke was new to each tour, & everyone seemed to laugh.. - I still wonder if I got my money's worth.. but I think I did, the laundry bag I stole when I left has got to be one of the most valuable things I own to this day..
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to JT and other ex- (current) Bethelites
by teejay inhey, james,.
if you would, and you have the time, give us.
a run-down on your views of the governing.
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Apostates' Night Out
by Gopher inhey all,.
i just got home from the very first minnesota evil apostates night (mean).
we wonder if similar apostate nights out have been held elsewhere.. we daringly held this mini-convention (8 in attendance) at a smoky bar somewhere in minneapolis.
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Gopher,
This sounds more like a special assembly day than a convention.. you need to hype it up more, & then it'd make it to circut assembly status. When you make it out to be a really big deal, start planning for it, inviting your friends, buying new clothes and big notepads, then it would be more of a convention.. I've never been to Minneapolis, but I'd volunteer to help make sandwiches the morning of the convention, If you're gonna go big with it... -
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Did you/Do you actually LIKE Field Service?
by LovesDubs ingod i hated it..every living breathing minute of it.
it was pure hell for me, and based on the pace i see the jws all over the world moving, they aint so fond of it neither.
the persecution that the jws feel they get is from irritated householders who know nothing about their religion except that they hit people over the head with it and then judge them because they dont like being hit over the head with it.
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I used to love service. Pioneered for 3 years & had a great time at it.. But I lived in a cool rural area, & was out by myself most of the time. I really dug meeting random people, & I'd just hang out & shoot the bull with them, we'd talk for a half hour about the car they were restoring, the well they were drilling, anything really, & I figured since they knew I was a JW & I wasn't trying to beat them to death with it, & I wasn't trying to judge them, that was almost a witness enough. I'd usu. try to work in something about the bible, but if I didn't place something with them, it didn't really matter. In addition I felt good because I really believed in what I was doing, maybe it was innocence, maybe niévety, but sometimes I wish I could believe now, the same way as I did then.
I don't know how long I's been since I've been inactive, a year or two. I don't know when I stopped counting my time. I still love walking around & meeting random people when I have the time, talking to them about their lives, exchanging world views.. only now instead of a book-bag I carry this old wooden camera on an old wood tripod & a box of sheet film.. I'll talk to random people down at the harbor, the beach, I'll talk to them for a while & maybe photograph them, maybe not..
I probably wouldn't do that if I wasn't raised knocking on doors.. so It's been a good thing for me..
Thousands of stories too.. & phone witnessing had.. HAD.. to be a bad joke.. I'd like to see a bunch of computers in the back of every hall & all the old arthritic sisters could try their hand at "Net Witnessing." -
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Photos at churches
by Undecided inback in the sixties i was into photography.
i took pictures at several weddings.
some were in churches.
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Jelly
The things that most make photographs amazing & interesting to ponder, aren't always the blacks and whites, but more often the myraid shades of greys in between. Wasn't it Niche who supposed the only "truth" to be found in the world, was only to be found in the act of searching for truth?
That you might be looking to something in between black and white, just might indicate that you are looking. & weather that makes you a creationist or an evolutionist is really inconcequential... -
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Photos at churches
by Undecided inback in the sixties i was into photography.
i took pictures at several weddings.
some were in churches.
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Lark,
"All that God gave us was a brain... how we use it to create and invent should be exalted, in my opinion. The gifts of the Wright Brother, Thomas Edison, etc. should be shown great respect."
I completely concur. As with nearly every invention through history there were usually many individuals who were working twards similar goals either prior to, or concurrent with the person attributed with the actual invention of a given process. I guess that's one of the points to my rambelings about the early stages of photography, I thought maybe it would become apparent that I was indeed aware, and in favor of the accredation of the individuals who went to great lengths to bring us photography, often at great financial and pysical expense. (they didn't realise things like breathing the vapors of heated mercury were dangerous to one's health)
I guess Prisca understood the point I was trying to make.. Thanks for helping me with my articulation
Lark, I understand the soreness about the gift your grandfather gave his sister. Perhaps your grandfather should have been given more credit. (though sometimes people enjoy secretly helping others out) Just curious about the reaction of the JW members of the family - hypothetically, had she been a poor monk instead of a pioneer, & those same members of the family were Taoist, or a Buddhist, do you think the gift could have been attributed to The Universal Way? one of the constantly changing cycles that allow the universe to function? Would that have been wrong? Could both answers be right?
When a Spanish Gallion is discovered off the coast, when it is brought to the surface and the world is blessed with it's treasures, I think it only fitting that we acknowledge the labors of those who brought the treasures to the surface, the innovative men who searched day and night, the team who engineered the salvage, the many people who played a hand. I also think it would be within reason to respect the craftsmen and artisans of the past, the jewlers and metalsmiths who's handwork we now admire, for had they not initially created the artifacts we now possess, well.. they simply wouldn't be, and all the efforts of those searching would have been in veign. Sometimes I guess a gift can be credited to more than one source, and the one does not of necessity exclude the other..
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Photos at churches
by Undecided inback in the sixties i was into photography.
i took pictures at several weddings.
some were in churches.
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Lark,
Since I'm new here & apparently you're not, is it out of bounds to conclude there might be some creative power behind that which appears to have been created? Frankly I'm curious as to wether creationism is considered to be as sophmoric here as in some academic or intelectual circles. Just curious.. -
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Photos at churches
by Undecided inback in the sixties i was into photography.
i took pictures at several weddings.
some were in churches.
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Lark
In refrence to the creator.. I hope you didn't think that I was suggesting that God handed humans a camera all loaded up with film to take to the photo-hut for quick and convenient 5x7 glossy prints.. Just suggesting that photography is this amazing thing that is made possible by that which was implemented, provided for, given to, or otherwise created for us, by.. yeah.. God.. -
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Photos at churches
by Undecided inback in the sixties i was into photography.
i took pictures at several weddings.
some were in churches.
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Lark
Go ahead, by all means be picky. Certainly one has that right. May I be picky in return?
Thanks...
First, there was no individual named "Eastman Kodak." You're probably referring to George Eastman who coined the name "Kodak" for his camera and photofinishing company in 1888, that's an understandable misappropriation. Edwin H. Land brought us the "Polaroid-Land camera" in 1947. Nice try, but that’s a little like attributing the authorship of the Bible to the Watchtower society. Just because someone provides a service and makes something more available to the public at large, doesn’t give them claim to authorship. Eastman was into marketing, & he “gave” nothing away..
The optical and chemical properties which make photography possible actually go a little farther back. The "Camera Obscura"- the predecessor to the modern camera, can be referenced back to Leo Hebraeus' (Levi ben Gerson, 1288-1344) work, Milchamoth Adonai ("The Wars of the Lord") Further back are references made by Aristotle. Leonardo Davinci elaborated on the principles of the camera obscura in the 16th century. Convergent lenses were adapted to camera obscuras to improve their efficiency by 1568, Daniello Barbaro, professor at the University of Padua, and author of a treatise on perspective is accredited with that.
That light has the ability to change the visual properties of certain materials was a well known fact even as far back as the time of Christ. Luke referred to "Lyida" a seller of purple - when he wrote the Bible book of Acts in 61 C.E. (Acts 16:14) the making of purple required a rare dye to be applied to a fabric and left in the sun. The actual chemical processes of modern photography however can be traced directly back to the un-related experiments of the alchemists in the 17th and 18th centuries. In 1674 alchemist Christoph Adolph Balduin invented phosphorous, and in 1727 when Johann Henrich Schulze attempted to reproduce Balduin's experiments, his nitric acid was impure (it contained traces of silver) and he invented "scotophorous" which also had light sensitive properties. By 1802 Thomas Wedgewood had sensitized paper and leather with silver nitrate & made "sun prints," but since he didn't have any chemical to serve as a "fixer" to stop the process, the images were unstable and could only be viewed in darkness.
In 1816 Niécephore Niépce sensitized paper with silver chloride and exposed the paper in a camera obscura, and though he may have found some way to fix the negative that resulted, he had no success in printing it. In 1827 Niépce began a collaboration with a man named Doguerre, who was already famous in France for his elaborate dioramas. With Doguerre’s financing they continued until Niépce’s death in 1833, after which Doguerre continued alone. By 1837 when Doguerre invented the “Daguerrotype” - a process which used a copper plate coated with silver sensitized with iodine, and developed over mercury vapors- a host of other people were at work on various other photographic processes. These include William Henery Fox Talbut, who was working with paper negatives that he called Callotypes, Hippolyte Bayard working with a direct paper positive process using paper coated with silver chloride and was held to the light, plunged onto a potassium Iodide solution and then exposed in a modified camera obscura, and Hercules Florence, a Frenchman living in Brazil who claimed to have made contact prints of his photographs between 1833 and 37.
Sir John F. W. Herschel discovered a way to “fix” the negative in 1839, using hyposulfate of soda (hypo), and defined the vocabulary photography still uses (negative/positive.) Though we have photographic images that pre-date this time, 1839 is generally accepted as the starting point for modern photography.
Did you miss something? Well my friend, not to be picky, but I’m afraid you have. The optical properties that allow light to bend through a lens and focus on a flat plane behind it, the physics that (according to the photon-theory of light) allows a photon to hit a silver halide particle suspended in the gelatin substrate of todays films, the chemical process by which that positively charged photon affects the covalent bond, causing the silver particles to separate from the other materials within the film, and crystallize together forming a latent image, a cluster of crystals at a molecular level within the “grain” structure of the film which can later be processed to amplify the density of the silver crystals to the point that it is not only visible, but can reveal things that could never be seen with the naked eye... well it’s a pretty amazing process.
The process itself, it’s physical, optical and chemical components, as well as the cognitive and inventive qualities of the people who pioneered the technology testify to some amazing design behind the ingredients which make it all possible.
I am a photographer. My photographs are unique to my way of seeing, they reflect my world view, are shaped by my history, my failures, my successes, my thoughts, emotions, desires. On the other hand I have been enlightened and inspired by others’ photographs, they have opened new doors of thought, shed light on new worlds, expanded my horizons far beyond those I had previously accepted. That’s one of the really cool things about the “creative” process, it reveals something of it’s creator. That shouldn’t be a new concept to anyone living in today’s world. It’s true of music, film, literary works, illustrations, paintings, photographs, architecture.. etc.. Here we go, & I’ll go slowly so you don’t miss it. Paintings imply that there was a painter, & they tell something of who he/she was. Photographs requisite photographers, Architecture necessitates the existance of an Architect.. Art = Artist, Design = Designer.. got it? Creation implies that there was a Creator.
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Photos at churches
by Undecided inback in the sixties i was into photography.
i took pictures at several weddings.
some were in churches.
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Photography is an amazing gift, one of the most amazing things the creator has provided us with... I don't know about back in the 60's, but I was a servant when I started working for a photographer right out of high school(ten years ago) & I remember doing a lot of research to get the society's viewpoint on the whole church thing.. I thought it would have been wrong to even step inside a church.. but when I later served at bethel, it seemed like four out of five brothers who had gone to europe either for international conventions, or vacation, had toured some type of church.. I really can't imagine the org. having anything against it.. though I assume there are quite a few individuals who would have been gravely offended. I think sometimes we mistake the fundamentalists within the orginization, for the orginization itself, but that's a different subject all together. As for your photography, I think you should definately set your equipment up & start making photos again. -just be carefull not to photograph any crosses, - because you wouldn't want the deamons to come into your house through a cross in one of your photographs