i know this topic has been spoken about but i havent seen an official thead about it.
so theists why did god create these and why does he co tinue to allow them?
are they from the talking snake, satan?.
When you start quoting books that are even wackier than the actual bible thats when the discussion is in danger of dying.
It is the actual bible!
The discussion is only in danger of dying because the unbelievers won't like the answer to the question they asked.
abe
i know this topic has been spoken about but i havent seen an official thead about it.
so theists why did god create these and why does he co tinue to allow them?
are they from the talking snake, satan?.
Here is a direct answer to the reason why disease exists:
Leviticus 26:23-25
"‘Nevertheless, if with these things YOU do not let yourselves be corrected by me and YOU just have to walk in opposition to me, 24 I, yes, I, shall then have to walk in opposition to YOU; and I, even I, shall have to strike YOU seven times for YOUR sins. 25 And I shall certainly bring upon YOU a sword wreaking vengeance for the covenant; and YOU will indeed gather yourselves into YOUR cities, and I shall certainly send pestilence into the midst of YOU,
abe
i know this topic has been spoken about but i havent seen an official thead about it.
so theists why did god create these and why does he co tinue to allow them?
are they from the talking snake, satan?.
Here is an instance where Jehovah purposefully used a disease (bacteria or virus):
Exodus 9:1-5
Consequently Jehovah said to Moses: "Go in to Phar´aoh and you must state to him, ‘This is what Jehovah the God of the Hebrews has said: "Send my people away that they may serve me. 2 But if you continue refusing to send them away and you are still keeping hold of them, 3 look! Jehovah’s hand is coming upon your livestock that is in the field. On the horses, the asses, the camels, the herd and the flock there will be a very heavy pestilence. 4 And Jehovah will certainly make a distinction between the livestock of Israel and the livestock of Egypt, and not a thing of all that belongs to the sons of Israel will die."’" 5 Moreover, Jehovah set an appointed time, saying: "Tomorrow Jehovah will do this thing in the land."
abe
question: how are members of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses themselves, actually viewed by jehovah's witnesses today?.
well, the following related experience may help answer that provocative question, giving us a glimpse of what the possible future days will bring us.
yes, the answer to that question may even be quite shocking to us, ... with simply terrible, disastrous results!!!
Thought I would post the entire scripture referenced in the title because it seems so extremely relevant to the OP.
Acts 12:20-23
Now he was in a fighting mood against the people of Tyre and of Si´don. So with one accord they came to him and, after persuading Blastus, who was in charge of the bedchamber of the king, they began suing for peace, because their country was supplied with food from that of the king. 21 But on a set day Herod clothed himself with royal raiment and sat down upon the judgment seat and began giving them a public address. 22 In turn the assembled people began shouting: "A god’s voice, and not a man’s!" 23 Instantly the angel of Jehovah struck him, because he did not give the glory to God; and he became eaten up with worms and expired.
abe
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Able;....As I've said before who said what jesus said? Those who are reputed to have known what jesus said in all probability got it at least 2nd or 3rd hand.
Even if it is 2nd or 3rd hand what is recorded about what Jesus Christ said in regards to how events would unfold is actually happening!
The evidence is overwhelming!
Looks to me like you have found an objection you feel comfortable about using to give yourself permission to ignore the evidence.
abe
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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I could do that with my beliefs. The fact that you can't tell me in a sentence or two indicates to me that either don't understand your beliefs, or its a cult.
1/ What Jesus Christ said would happen, is really happening!
2/ The overwhelming amount of evidence drives any thought of skepticism beyond reasonable limits.
abe
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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I cannot give you just one small piece of evidence and then expect you to understand.
When I hear that my bull$$$ meter goes off. This is what the JWs say, that's why you have to study for six months, you need things "explained properly", why? Because each individual thing is ridiculous. It is only after six months of study and many hours of brainwashing that it starts to make sense, because you forgot what good sense is. So, no thank you very much, I am not investing hours of time because somebody posted a bunch of things on the internet. Sorry if I am cranky today, I am in a lot of pain, but this is nonsense.
Lisa,
I do not know any other way of explaining this so that a person could become immediately familiar with all the evidence.
It is like people are expecting some kind of Vulcan mind meld that Dr Spock used on Start Trek.
Nope, I do not know how to do that!
I can see the grief and bitterness coming through in your post above.
It is not unlike many other EX-JW posts I read on this forum.
It is very prevalent.
It is my conviction that the grief and bitterness coming through your words is an evidence of what Jesus Christ said would happen to Christians.
I think that if you took the time to examine all the evidence you might understand that the things happening to you are the things that Jesus Christ said would happen.
If you can accept that then the grief and bitterness starts to go away.
John 16:19-20
Most truly I say to YOU, YOU will weep and wail, but the world will rejoice; YOU will be grieved, but YOUR grief will be turned into joy.
What Jesus Christ said would happen, is really happening!
I can see it happening right here on this forum.
It is a part of the evidence!
abe
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Please link to one or two specific threads that you have started which explain what Jesus said that is coming true.
It is still not that simple!
Even just one or two threads will only get you started.
There is too much evidence!
Here is a thread where I did give the posters an alternative opportunity to start examining the evidence.
abe
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Whenever I ask you to identify what things you mean specifically you refuse to give a simple answer. Why?
Like I said, the evidence is overwhelming!
I cannot give you just one small piece of evidence and then expect you to understand.
I think however, that is what you want.
Last time I showed you a place where you could get a start examining the overwhelming amount of evidence.
I can boldly say that what Jesus Christ said would happen, is really happening because I took the time to examine it.
There is no alternative or easy way out for someone to say they also examined the overwhelming amount of evidence unless they put in the time.
There is no simple answer I can give you that would immediately make you understand all the evidence because there is so much!
abe
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Abe, I've read your post several times and don't have a clue what it is you are trying to say.
Try again?
The overwhelming amount of evidence drives any thought of skepticism beyond reasonable limits.
What Jesus Christ said would happen, is really happening!
It's ok, the bible does say that some people would not understand.
Therefore your statement above cements my conviction.
Just another small piece of the overwhelming amount of evidence.
abe
