Posts by freddo

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WTS Throws Hail Mary Pass with Major Paradigm Shift

by Socrateswannabe in

let me begin by stating that i have no insider information, this is merely my observation.

i believe that some time ago in watchtower land, somebody at hq posed these questions (probably an outside consultant because i don't think the gb is this hip): .

what would happen if we cut in half the average age of the responsible brothers in the organization?

freddo

In the UK and other "western" countries I believe that kicking the "middle aged, less useful" bethelites out will give some struggling congs a little boost in numbers of elders/pioneers this year; but as reality sets in and they realise they have been sent out to "kept warm and well fed" many of them will be ticking time bombs in their halls.

They will either dig in deeper and show the younger ones what fruitcakes they are or they will be bitter and twisted as they try to get menial jobs in the local economy. Either way they will not truly serve the brothers and sisters in their new halls but either - quite understandably - look after themselves or become even bigger robots for the borg.

It will be interesting and to those with loved ones still in, not a little frightening.

But it gives us another opportunity to break through to the "real" person behind the cult facade.

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Tanzania News Update

by mana11 in

i wanted to share with you some feed back from this region.

since you could say tanzania and other regions within africa are the last hard to reach places on the earth.

it is where the www preaching work funds are directed, as being justified to get your donations.there are now no longer any foreigners at the branch within tanzania, they all were told to go.

freddo

Now that the org is much more heavily dependent on jaydubyadotorg would it be relatively inexpensive for a group of branch heavies and wealthy locals to go independent if their branch got closed?

When Ray Franz was ousted the only knock on effect whisper I heard in the UK at the time was that "there was trouble in Ireland" and that branch committee members were removed.

Back then in the early 1980's it would have been cost prohibitive to independently print and reach all the congregations in the territory but now an alternative focal group could be set up and run through a website from a small set of offices. All the contact KH addresses could be got from the branch's own files or just jwdotorg and in some countries charity commissions would show elders contacts.

Ah ... a chap can dream.

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Can't Understand Why This Is Allowed

by mariet in

i moved to roseburg, oregon.

the jehovah's witnesses are allowed to set up a display and man it right outside of the local library, and they are there every day and hour the library is open.

i am [redacted], the director of the douglas county library system and wanted to respond to your website email of december 11, 2015. i have consulted with the county attorneys office about your concern about jehovahs witnesses use of the front porch of the library building in roseburg, and my understanding of the law is as follows.. .

freddo

If you want rid and want to put in the effort then work out when they put up their display.

Make a placard. "Google Jehovah Witnesses Child Abuse" or "Google Jehovah Witnesses shun ex-members". (Spell it as shown here to really irritate them.)

Stand close to their cart a few times. Smile wide and say "Good morning cult members."

Stand silently with your placard.

They will run away.

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Yearbook 2016

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

stil no 2016 yearbook on jw.org, due to my fade i forgot the normal publishing date.

do you remember when the yearbook was released?

i'm just curious about the 2015 publisher data.

freddo

Late, yeah. They've got to have a recount in every country to massage the figures upwards.

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What was your ''the last straw that broke the camels back'' moment

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

there is a limit to how much straw (long yellow grass) a camel can carry on its back.

if you keep putting more straw on top, it will finally break the camel's back.

when you are at the last straw you are finally angry and will not take any more.. my moment (to stop attending all watchtower meetings) was after the harsh treatment from the elders and fellow congregation members of my second cousin who was disfellowhipped as a teenager.

freddo

@Love Uni

Understandable but I need to correct you on a point which certainly won't help your return to the borg!

Michael Porter was never disfellowshipped. At the first trial he indeed got a non-custodial sentence at Bristol Crown Court and then the Attorney General Baroness Scotland referred the case on appeal to be reviewed in London due to the leniency of the sentence. He then got 18 months sentence.

He was publicly reproved and that was as far as it went.

His paedo crimes were committed largely in the South-West of England when he was a pioneer and a MS. The holy spirit obviously accepted his application to Bethel where he became an elder - field service overseer - in his London congregation.

One of his victims came forward and "forced" his confession to the elders and to the police. His old congregation elders were so incensed at his not being disfellowshipped that the WT heavies sent the D.O. to calm them down at a special meeting.

Ill feeling still remains and some of the 14 or so victims (24 counts in total) are out of the borg though many still remain in.

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She sent me 'Return to Jehovah' I sent her a Christmas card

by Xanthippe in

it just felt so good to say to a jw i don't feel the guilt this booklet says i must be feeling.

i don't feel guilty for having a great big christmas tree or letting my daughter have birthdays, easter eggs, dress up at halloween, have sleepovers and friends, i told her.

i only feel guilty about not contributing to live aid and bandaid and giving the money to a cult instead.

freddo

Fantastic. Well done you!

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CONGREGATION FLEECING RESULTS?

by The Searcher in

how much did your congregation and its bank account get taken for?

share your horror story!.

freddo

@brandnew

Wow! Background to this?

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Following Christ "from a distance."

by New day in

luke 22:54.

"then they arrested him and led him off, and they brought him into the house of the high priest; but peter was following at a distance.

" i am still raging because this verse was used at a recent circuit overseer's visit.

freddo

@Alive!

"Bullying disguised as encouragement" So, so true.

Especially from the GB and their puppets the C.O.'s

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Following Christ "from a distance."

by New day in

luke 22:54.

"then they arrested him and led him off, and they brought him into the house of the high priest; but peter was following at a distance.

" i am still raging because this verse was used at a recent circuit overseer's visit.

freddo

Of course Peter "following at a distance" (when Jesus was being led captive to mock trial and then execution) was actually doing the very best he could and if we want to judge, better than all the other apostles who at that point weren't following him at all. Considering the situation understandably so as they were hiding so they wouldn't get crucified.

The present GB have trouble presenting themselves to court to "be hailed before governors" regarding child abuse!

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Watchtower purchases CoC copyright for undisclosed amount!

by the girl next door in

now what is your stance?

freddo

If this were true then "All's fair in love and war" ... so now let's unleash the pdf's of war.