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  JT & Lady Cee Why we left the Jehovah's Witnesses - Part 1

  by JT-LadyC in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many years ago, my husband and i appeared on the board that was known as h20 aka simon's site.

  it has been a while since we have posted anything, so i guess i can say that this is like coming out of retirement.

  lol.

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  freddo

  Give us more!

  We need coherent well presented people like you to help people to see the real truth about "the truth".

  Freddo in the UK.
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  "Marked" for association with "worldly guy"

  by Anon_SA1 in

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  2. friends

  my best friend has recently been "marked" for associating with a "worldly guy" what advice can you give me to pass onto her?

  i am not a jw, never been one, so looking for guidance.

  thank you in advance.

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  Methinks your friends "associating with a worldly guy" is actually "dating a worldly guy".
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  Those keenly following umbertoecho ARC Brief Update.

  by MightyV8 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i feel it is comfortable to say,.

  yes her arc hearing has come and gone.. yes her hearing was so powerful, her allotted time was tripled!.

  yes, information handed over "mind blowing" response from arc.

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  @mightyV8

  I have been following umbertoecho's story. From her posts it is obvious she is fully committed - at great personal emotional cost - to bringing her experience to the ARC.

  Please may I encourage anyone on this forum - including lurkers and whether in or out of jehovah's witnesses - and at whatever level - to help expose the weaknesses in the jw system towards protecting children.

  Protecting image must not come before protecting children.

  Thanks for the update!

  Now we need someone in the UK ...
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  Is the Pioneer School being eliminated?

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i heard from the semi reliable source that the pioneer schools will go the way of the dodo bird next year.. i could see this happening.

  it used to be that you went to the the pioneer school once.

  then they allowed dubs to go every 5 years.

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  freddo

  NEW PIONEER MINISTRY TRAINING METHODS 2017 Service Year

  Dear Brothers,

  How the Pioneer Schools have trained a worldwide brotherhood! How thrilled we are at the vast increases. During WW2 blah blah, court victories drone drone, spearheading the work yawn yawn Jehovah's chariotlike organisation snore snore. Zzzzzzzzz.

  Anyhow we're kicking the schools into touch to save dollars for the child abuse cases ... errr ... free up the CO's to keep you lot in line ... errr ... to keep up with jaydubyoo/dot/orgasm.

  Instead, at the regular pioneer meeting with the CO (including aux pio 30hour wannabe's and cute pre-teens dragged along by mummy that can smile winningly next to trolleys and at householders) the following 15 minute program will be included.

  MODULE ONE (5 minutes)

  1. Switching on your "device".

  2. Showing the "Lions in Paradise" video. (Or if the CO feels suitable for your area "Sofia's Ice Cream Money")

  3. Say that next time you'll show the "Jesus loves you but his Dad needs cash." video.

  4. Write down on your electronic device (S-8's are old hat) the highlights of your call such as:

  Is the person rich/daft/gullible? If so then call back promptly arranging a day and time.

  You have now arranged a return visit!

  COFFEE BREAK

  MODULE TWO - THE RETURN VISIT (5 Minutes)

  5. AT THE RETURN VISIT

  Is he in? If so count a return visit.

  Is he out/hiding/ignoring you? Put the smallest piece of literature in his mailbox and count a return visit.

  He's in! Is he sighing and crying over all the terrible things taking place in the inhabited earth? Show him a video about a video about a bible study and count a Bible study.
  

  Does he think you are a mad cultist? Politely leave BUT COUNT THAT BIBLE STUDY!

  COFFEE BREAK

  MODULE THREE (5 minutes)

  Ascertaining the spirituality of the person.

  1. Is he rich and free with his donations? If so develop a magazine route.

  2. Does he watch jayduborg listening appreciatively/respectfully? Continue the study.

  3. Switching off your device.

  4. Boasting about your success ... err ... encouraging others at the Kingdom Hall.

  AT THE NEXT CO VISIT

  Obeying the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  Can you baptise them in their own bathtub?

  Explaining they are not of the anointed!!!

  ...

  So instead of tying up an expensive CO or two we can "let them go" and join you as regular pioneers! What a blessing from Jah!

  We know you will truly appreciate this new provision from God!

  
  

  Your brother (yes the department is down to one brother - no bethelite left here
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  legal action to Baptism of minor annulled?

  by cyberjesus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  let's imagine that a 10 year old gets baptized.

  parents split and kid never goes back to the hall again.

  15 years later kid celebrates christmas and gets df since some dub saw him celebrating.

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  Just a thought ...

  WT1964 p126 para 1 "Did You Make an Acceptable Dedication to God?"

  I remember about ten/twelve years ago a CO covering a point about this with our body of elders.

  The point made was that if someone had been "seriously" or "grossly" sinning at a disfellowshipping offence level (and obviously kept it hidden) all the way through their dedication and baptism then their baptism could be considered invalid. He said that occasionally, especially if the person was a minor when they were baptised and if they had not become a pioneer or MS or Elder when they were an adult (which might indicate forgiveness and blessing by God - what a joke - ) then their baptism might be annulled and each case would be on a case by case basis.

  He said it was extremely rare but that it had happened. This in the UK.

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  So if you could hold it together long enough to get your story straight and you wrote to bethel to say you had been continually e.g. smoking or committing porneia or stealing either side of your baptism you just might get an annulment. Might you just say "I definitely didn't dedicate my life to God, I just did it to please my parents and because of peer pressure."?

  However it usually only happened when it suited the branch for example if there is bad publicity like when a jw child abuser can be said to have never been a witness and that would suit the jw hierarchy to put it out that he/she was never really a witness anyway.
  
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  JW Real Estate Owned

  by badcompany in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just spoke to my dad who's been an elder since ~'72 and still is.

  he told me about a meeting he just had about kh annual maintenance.

  whoever led the meeting (not sure who) announced the world leaders in re locations owned:.

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  myname is lame said "Odd thing for a religion to be bragging about."

  Very true. Especially one whose leader had "nowhere to lay his head".
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  10 Years On...

  by done4good in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just a note that 10 years ago, (christmas day, 2005), was my last time inside a kh.

  a lot has taken place for the better in those 10 years:.

  1. met the love of my life and happily married for 9 years, two days ago.. 2. completed a master's degree.. 3. work at senior management level in the it field.. 4. have a savings and retirement, and no debt outside of a mortgage and 1 car loan.. 5. lots of travel to several places that i never would have done as a jw.. 6. contribute to what i believe are meaningful causes.. 7. read, think, and meditate for myself.. 8. have a great extended family i inherited from my wife.. 9. lots of other great stuff, too much to list.. none of this is intended to be boastful.

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  Please don't go for too long. Inspiring stories like yours help the rest of us stay firm in our resolve. And newbies and lurkers need to see first hand that you don't have to go to hell in a hand cart if you leave "the truth".
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  Blood Cards on File with the Elders?

  by EyesOpenHeartBroken in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i have a question for elders here or recent elders.

  were the elders, in the last 10 years, given instruction to keep a copy of every publishers blood card on file at the kh?.

  we moved to our current cong 6 years ago, and shortly after we moved in, the boe requested everyone update and give a copy of card to the kh.

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  freddo

  Normally the Secretary keeps on file all those who lodge a copy of their AMD/Blood card with the congregation. Every 5 years he should encourage you to fill out a new one to keep them up to date.

  Once a year or two there is a reminder through the KM and the Secretary usually reminds everyone to fill one out.

  In my hall there is "encouragement" to complete one so that if there is an emergency and you are sparked out then the liason committee can act upon your wishes on your behalf.

  There is no compulsion but keen group overseers can get on your case.

  I have never known an elder - or when I was an elder - any pressure as to choices as to fractions etc.

  Just say "no". Don't explain further.
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  Let's Consolidate World Branch Layoff Threads - Oct 2015

  by TheListener in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there has been many threads from various posters around the world about recent bethel layoffs.. so far i remember threads about:.

  south africa.

  united states.

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  freddo

  Britain is in full swing kicking out Bethelites. The first lot leave in the new year. They were called in on a weekly basis in November and December and got told they would be out two months after being told.

  So January and February is when they hit the streets and have to pay their own way.
  

  They stop all the feeding, washing and cleaning malarkey on the 11th January.

  Not sure of the total numbers but each week for the next two months a couple of dozen will leave. I wonder if they will dance out to the "HAPPY" song?

  
  
  
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  JW Statistics for "Britain" 2015 over 2014

  by freddo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  population listed.

  peak pubs.

  ave pubs.

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  freddo

  Hi "closed" and welcome. Please share more.

  A very true perspective. The only real non - born in, outside growth is in the "foreign langauge" field in many "western" countries.