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  Calling All Who Were JWs Between 1967 and 1980

  by -Crossroads- in

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  hello jwn,.

  to introduce myself, i am still in the jws but learned ttatt some months ago.

  i now ask this question to get more info on a past teaching.. between 1967 and 1980 was when the 'current understanding' of the wts was that organ transplants were cannibalism, and thus abhorrent.

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  freddo

  I was going to meetings as a kid during the 60's and baptised in the 70's - UK.

  In 1967 there was the world's first heart transplant (Christiaan Barnard South Africa) which brought into focus the witness view. But of course kidney transplants were becoming more common too.

  As mentioned above it was generally viewed as cannibalism and linked to blood transfusion (as in back then you would "obviously" need a blood transfusion if you had a major organ transplant) and QFR in 1967 was weighted heavily against it as were small references between then and the QFR of 1980. I cannot say if it would have been a DF offence as I was a baptised teen with no appointment in 1980. (I always thought it was but can find nothing in the WT CD library.)

  But my understanding was that it was definitely "wrong" because the articles were disapproving but I can go no further than that in what if any the sanctions might have been.

  The way it was "fed" to me by elders at the time was that it was a "no-no".
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  Breaking news: Subcontracted logistics in US and Canada, more layoffs coming...

  by sp74bb in

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  more changes in us and canada operations.. new "arrangements" in jw.org to get more benefits and less costs.

  logistics in canada and the united states will be managed by a new arrangement.. confidential: a famous supermarket and logistics company will take care of sending literature, keep an eye not getting your wt supplies together with a butter cream pot.. read well: wal **** logistics .... more layoffs.... headquarters in canada of this famous company only at 37 km away from watchtower canada..

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  freddo

  @orphan crow

  How long before each cart will have its own built in printer and supply of paper? (funded by the congregation or circuit of course )
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  At a regional convention today....

  by Nobodyspecial in

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  it really stands out to me just how phoney the bonds of forced brotherhood are.

  the smiles are paper thin when they see each other in hotels.

  the laughs forced.

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  freddo

  Quite true, nobody special.

  We even had one of those animated cartoons as one of the reminders for the convention showing a little old sister on a "zimmer" (walking) frame being knocked over by a stampede of "seat getters."

  Everyone laughed at the kingdom hall. Not realising how pathetic we must be to need such a reminder!

  Obviously even that childish reminder was not enough and so the elderly have to be let in first.
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  Lurking JWs, if you're to love Jesus more than family, does it make sense to withhold family to coerce persons to return to Jesus?

  by Island Man in

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  2. beliefs

  jesus said that his true disciples would love him more than family.

  (matthew 10:37) therefore, ex-jws worthy of reinstatement should be returning because they love jesus more than family - not because of wanting to restore family association.

  if they truly love jesus more than family they would still return despite their family continuing to communicate with them, because they will value their relationship with jesus as a prize to be attained above and beyond their relationship with their family.

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  freddo

  @mrquik

  Got scripture references for your post please?
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  At a regional convention today....

  by Nobodyspecial in

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  it really stands out to me just how phoney the bonds of forced brotherhood are.

  the smiles are paper thin when they see each other in hotels.

  the laughs forced.

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  freddo

  Welcome and Hi! nobody special - I understand completely. When I was an elder I hated the power trips some of my fellow elders went on.

  How many baptised at your convention and what was the attendance? We get great satisfaction seeing the massive increases. (sarcasm)

  We've seen a marked drop in baptisms to assembly attendance ratio since late 2014 and wonder if it is worldwide or just North America and Europe.
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  To UK members that go to meetings - did Brexit cause a spike in meeting attendance last weekend?

  by freddo in

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  i went to the mid week meeting and looked at the attendance figures on the noticeboard for the three congregations that share the local kingdom hall.

  i wrote down the three previous sundays attendances and this sunday (after the referendum) too.

  cong c. (95 pubs) 74/82/73/90.

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  @fizzle

  Lower half of the UK is about as specific as I want to get. I was a fairly well known elder in my circuit and have reduced activity from that to low level activity publisher.

  Responses to child abuse - especially since the ARC - and ridiculous generation "exSplane-ation" made me change from "going for family" to "minimal activity for family". And planning for on the way to "virtual inactivity for family!"

  
  
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  To UK members that go to meetings - did Brexit cause a spike in meeting attendance last weekend?

  by freddo in

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  i went to the mid week meeting and looked at the attendance figures on the noticeboard for the three congregations that share the local kingdom hall.

  i wrote down the three previous sundays attendances and this sunday (after the referendum) too.

  cong c. (95 pubs) 74/82/73/90.

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  freddo

  Panic's over - I went again tonight (2 in a row! Where's my medal?) and checked the noticeboard attendance figures and although only two were showing (the bigger cong doesn't meet until tomorrow) they were back to their usual low state.

  Cong A. Showed even lower at 49

  Cong B. Showed even lower at 59

  So back to apathy and yawndumb!
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  To UK members that go to meetings - did Brexit cause a spike in meeting attendance last weekend?

  by freddo in

  1. jw
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  i went to the mid week meeting and looked at the attendance figures on the noticeboard for the three congregations that share the local kingdom hall.

  i wrote down the three previous sundays attendances and this sunday (after the referendum) too.

  cong c. (95 pubs) 74/82/73/90.

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  freddo

  I went to the mid week meeting and looked at the attendance figures on the noticeboard for the three congregations that share the local kingdom hall. I wrote down the three previous Sundays attendances and this Sunday (after the referendum) too. Here they are.

  The three congregations have about 75/75/95 publishers.

  Cong A. (75 pubs) 51/56/53/73

  Cong B. (75 pubs) 60/60/63/71

  Cong C. (95 pubs) 74/82/73/90

  Strange that all three had a higher attendance on the last Sunday? Do you think they all had Armageddon's coming-itis?
  
  
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  The 1975 Generation---are they still around?

  by minimus in

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  i was raised as a jw and 1975 expectations were pretty intense.

  as i recall, most people did not leave after the failed expectations but many s l o w e d down.

  now, i think most of the 1975 witnesses are gone or barely in.. is the older generation still around in the kingdom halls or are they much gone?.

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  @virgochik

  It's the 4D vision they have.

  Desperation, Delusion, Depression and impending Death go hand in hand with the still in '75 generation.

  Their very own four horsemen of their very own apocalypse!
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  For My Kids

  by myjourney in

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  i haven't been on here much, but every so often i try and keep up with the discussions.

  i'm sure this topic has been talked about before, so my apologies in advance if i'm repeating.. a little about me.... i'm a non baptized jw married to a devout jw.

  both my husband and i were raised in the organization.

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  freddo

  This may sound incredibly naive but if separating is on the table what have you got to lose by trying to save your marriage first but do the following anyway?

  A) Telling your husband why you believe jw's to be "wrong" in their world view - ARC/Generations/False Prophecies etc.

  B) Telling your kids the above.

  C) Providing an alternative for them - education - non jw friends - being decent citizens - fun - helping the less fortunate - value of money?

  If you aren't baptised then "everyone" knows you haven't bought into the religion including your kids and husband. Tell 'em why!