"Anyone know the back story?"
Sorry - I must learn to read more carefully.
Posts by freddo
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13Banned From The Kingdom Hall
by darkspilver inbanned from going to the kingdom hall..... a former jehovah’s witness has been banned from visiting any of the organisation’s kingdom halls in the uk – or face going to jail.. http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/judges-jail-warning-to-former-117012/.
previous thread / discussion.
youtube channel.
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Elder wants to stop by with the CO for a visit .
by NikL inso i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
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freddo
@NikL "But seriously, what bad can result? I mean, what are they gonna do DF me? For nothing? Go ahead!
My wife might see what a bunch of BS it all is."
If you are very careful then you may well get your wife to see what a bunch of BS it all is; but I think the chances are very slim.
If you sound off about ARC/Generation/Moneygrabbing etc. then at some point you risk the question "Do you believe the FDS/GB is speaking for Jehovah?" question.
Unless you are prepared to lie through your teeth err ... use theocratic warfare then the "wrong answer" to this alone can result in them deciding you have DA'D in front of two witnesses.
If you are prepared to lie through your teeth and prepare well then why not?
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Elder wants to stop by with the CO for a visit .
by NikL inso i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
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freddo
Why the sudden interest in you do you think?
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Elder wants to stop by with the CO for a visit .
by NikL inso i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
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freddo
Could be anything from a genuine caring call to a witch-hunt disguised as a "genuine caring call".
However "genuine" your elder friend is, he will dance to the CO's merry tune.
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Banned From The Kingdom Hall
by darkspilver inbanned from going to the kingdom hall..... a former jehovah’s witness has been banned from visiting any of the organisation’s kingdom halls in the uk – or face going to jail.. http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/judges-jail-warning-to-former-117012/.
previous thread / discussion.
youtube channel.
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freddo
Anyone know the back story?
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Have the Elders ever been instructed by their bethel to call the police for abuse?
by StephaneLaliberte inright now, there are a lot of talks on this topic in quebec and, at the mid week meeting, they are reading the letter sent in 2002 where it states that the elders will call the authorities if the law forces them to.
the strange thing is, it looks like even when there are laws to that effect, jws seem to believe that it does not apply to them.
for instance, i know that they do not report anything in quebec, even if it is the law!
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freddo
My experience with talking to London bethel by phone as an elder matches "above us only sky's" experience.
I cannot hand on heart say that the anonymous voice at the other end said do not report this to the authorities but that was how the conversations were steered (two).
One was a historical sex abuse case which the branch knew about and I said to the toady at the other end (this was when you could get advice as one brother phoning in, not two) that a brother who was a victim wanted to go to the police and the reply was "while that is his right, you might ask him what he thinks it will achieve after all this time".
The police were informed by the brother and I testified my (hearsay) knowledge of the case to the police without telling the branch.
The second was just before I resigned as an elder and we had a family in the cong. where the four kids were borderline being neglected by their dopey jw. mother who would avoid the social services like the plague because she knew that she would be at risk of having one or more of the kids closely monitored or taken into care.
Anyway, one older kid began to threaten a younger sibling with scissors and knives and it came to the elders attention so two of us phoned the branch where the anonymous brother said it would be better if the mother or a relative called in the social services. We said that they (the jw mother and a jw aunt) wouldn't and we felt we should.
Again the toady on the service desk didn't want elders going to the authorities but said we "might encourage the relatives to go to the social services as that would be the best option."
When I said they undoubtedly wouldn't he said try to get them to and then come back to us if they won't.
Myself and the other brother decided between us to go to the social services and ignore the idiot at bethel.
The family was monitored closely from that point onwards with even a well handled police involvement where the older kid had professional help with no criminal charge or conviction.
My view is that the twisted bastards on the service desk are more concerned about keeping their board and lodging and keeping the "outside of the grave" clean rather than children's welfare.
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freddo
@Lone_Wolf
This thread is to highlight how depraved and disgusting the passages of scripture are. Not to support them.
We're being ironic.
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WELL BEARDS ARE STILL A NO NO!!!!!!
by DwainBowman inwell beards are still a no no!!!!!!.
in a new letter from the branch/gb nut's, beards are not acceptable in the us branch area!!!!!!.
my eldub brother in law, shared this today.
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freddo
In defence of Dwain and to parry Barrold's assertion.
Often whacky stuff would go in a letter to just CO's - especially stuff from a branch and not worldwide. He will then tell the Elders and possibly MS's. Remember "the Metrosexual tight pants" malarkey? That was through CO's at E&MS meetings.
My guess is that the CO is telling them that beards are a no-no on assembly platforms and at circuit level (where all aspiring Elders and fast-track MS's want to be) and then the minimal intelligence elders will follow suit at "their" congregations in most cases.
They've caused themselves yet more damage aboard their "ship of fools".
Good!
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Meeting Attendance levels
by freddo ini attended a sunday meeting today after missing a couple due to a bout of chronic apathy.
out of 74 publishers we had a grand total of 33. wonderful.
for those that attend, how are you finding the numbers?.
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freddo
@sir82 "I wonder if the attendants are inflating the counts?"
The scene: end of a CLAM meeting and a serious faced elder goes up to announce "Sister Y-shape has been reproved". Sister Y-shape sits red-faced at the back of the hall.
Attendant goes up to "serious faced elder" and asks quietly:
"Excuse me but I wonder if Sister Y-shape is pregnant? Of course I only ask because if she is then we can add another one to the meeting count. Actually, I could ask her if it's twins ..."
@A Believer
That's a true story that. About as true as the generation lies promoted by Watchtower turned out to be.
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Meeting Attendance levels
by freddo ini attended a sunday meeting today after missing a couple due to a bout of chronic apathy.
out of 74 publishers we had a grand total of 33. wonderful.
for those that attend, how are you finding the numbers?.
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freddo
Many of you seem to have built on my little phrase of "chronic apathy" in this thread.
For those of us that attend to keep the peace ...
As one poster alluded - apathy can reach the parts apostasy cannot reach.
Maybe we should just shrug our shoulders and grin when counselled by elders to:
Do more, give more, attend more, pre-study more, work on the hall more, answer up.
Maybe we should just shrug our shoulders and say "nah thanks! don't feel like it" when invited by the zealous to stand next to a cart or go on the ministry with them.
And when our family want us to go to the hall with them just shrug your shoulders and say "no thanks, can't be bothered". instead of feigning sickness.
Might be a plan, Stan!