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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

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  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  freddo

  @Landy

  It can also imprison them for six months if they don't appear.
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  Inactive

  by ScottyRex in

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  inactive.......hmmm, what an interesting title (notice, not phrase) that's me.

  not a title i ascribe myself, one foisted on me.. jwd -yes.

  jw memorial, why of course too.. valid posts on here....yes.

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  freddo

  This thread was worth coming to if only for this from DJS:

  "Created so many rules, near rules, mini-me rules, almost rules, semi-rules, and if it walks, talks and acts like a rule it's a fucking rule rules with one intention:"

  Brilliant.

  As for Scooby/Scotty Rex he probably feels a bit useless and bitter. A little cog in the machine that can do nothing. Couldn't improve jw's and can't improve the NHS despite trying his best. At least in the UK people want the NHS to succeed.

  Come on Scooby, don't be afraid - it's only the museum curator in disguise.
  
  
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

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  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  freddo

  Richard Oliver doesn't appear to be wired right. Let him be.
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  Simon's "Evil" Apostate site vs. JWTalk.com

  by Funchback in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i stumbled across jwtalk.com recently and i wasn't able to read many things posted there because i wasn't a member.

  so, i decided to join (it's free).

  i am not interested in re-becoming a jw.

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  freddo

  How about a post like this:

  "I was in the ministry last Saturday morning and a concerned gentleman showed me this advert (link to ambulance chasing lawyer "were you abused by jw's?" advert) - I of course told him that it was probably put there by apostates but I prayed about it and now believe I could have answered it better - any ideas?

  I want to make a return visit and make an answer in accord with 1 Peter 3 v 15."
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  The Trump Era commences

  by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

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  freddo

  Melania looks nice doesn't she?
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  Questions JWs Ask: Mike from Greece wants to know...

  by Funchback in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mike from greece is a member of a pro-jw forum (message board).. the jw religion has so many rules so mike wants to clarify some correct procedures.. what woud you like to know, mike?.

  a couple of questions dear brothers & sisters of the forum about women's head coverings1)should it be considered wrong for a sister to wear a head covering during the meetings?

  i have seen some old sisters, one in our congregation and a couple in other two that like wearing head coverings during the meetings.

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  Mike from Greece sounds a right wanker.
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  freddo

  Is Richard Oliver a sock-puppet for Fisherman? Or vice versa?

  Anyway - the law firms think it is worth a punt don't they?
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  Are baptized Witnesses that are no longer in the "truth", but were NEVER DF'D, now to be shunned and treated like disfellowshipped ones?

  by Dunedain in

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  a relative of mine was telling me, that in his, and a few neighboring congregations, there is a little confusion amongst some of the jw's about this "issue".

  some families are having a hard time about whether certain relatives will be attending certain family functions, because some family members that are no longer in the "truth", might be invited to these functions.

  mind you, these persons were never disfellowshipped.

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  freddo

  Cobweb has it accurately - this was at last summers regional convention. The WT ref they use is not new it goes back to 1985 - WT 1985 Page 19 para 14. It was all wrapped up in "loyalty" so that those that know how the org works and want to slavishly follow its harsher guidelines can do so.

  DATADOG also has it accurately too - the website says otherwise.

  This is because the borg wish to present themselves as whitewashed graves to the casual reader but inside they are full of rotten bones.
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  Hospice and JW

  by Terry Clees in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i am a bereavement coordinator with a hospice company.

  i have noticed that most often jw patients decline chaplain care and also the family ends up declining bereavement care.

  where i work our chaplains do not proselytize at all...they merely walk with the patient in their faith at the end of life.

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  Hi Terry,

  Thanks for asking; I appreciate it when folk look for feedback and I wish you well in your work - to me it shows wisdom and compassion to ask how you can be of service.

  It is probably fair to say that you have landed on a forum which is largely anti jw and if any of us were unfortunate enough to need your services (if you see what I mean) we would probably be grateful for your interest at what would be a very scary or even terrifying time.

  Devout jw's will be just as scared as anyone else knowing they are to die soon - often though they will have elders and congregation members who will visit regularly - they likely will not want your services for the reasons highlighted by several posters already.

  Other jw's will be lonely - maybe their family are not jw's or are even disfellowshipped jw's and they would love some companionship but might be fearful of engaging with anyone who identified as a clergyman by the way they dress.

  It truly is a minefield and I would simply suggest offer a warm smile, ask if there is anything you can provide or if they would like you having a chat with them and not feel rebuffed when they refuse.

  Thanks for posting.
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  Sisters as Ministerial Servants?

  by Spoletta in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife has been trying to convince me that the organization is hinting at the possibility of making some older sisters ministerial servants.

  she is awake to a lot of the false doctrines, but is still clinging to the hope that the org may become more progressive in the future.

  anyone else pick up on this?

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  And of course amalgamating congregations so there are enough "qualified men" to go round.

  A little story from a circuit near where I live.

  Four congregations near each other (1,2,3,4) with the perfect storm of low attendances (>50) in two of them (2 and 4); two kingdom halls with one of them being old, costly but valuable in £££ terms ( - like £500K plus - valuable) and aging bodies of elders in the two low attendance halls and also in Cong 3 which had more publishers but only 5 elders of which 4 are between 65 and 80.

  What did they do in 2015/2016?

  Cong 1 and 2 have their hall sold. Cong 1 is shifted 8 miles down the road to the next town in its entirety and put in with 3 other congs and that hall is refurbed. Cong 2 is disbanded with publishers being spread to 3 congregations including boosting Cong 4 with 30 extra publishers and 3 extra elders.

  Congs 3 and 4 have their hall refurbished at a cost of about 50K (bear in mind that the org have sold a hall for 500K!) and the org is now eyeing up another cong. with a dilapidated valuable hall (this time the thick end of £1 million) to chuck in with them.

  5 Bethelites (2 elders and wives plus a single MS) have been booted out and they have landed in cong 3.

  So we have about £1.5 million for the London Branch coffers, 5 available elders and a couple of pioneer wives to put into the congregations that are struggling , a pair of halls with a lick of paint and new carpet that couldn't have cost more than £100K the pair.

  No need for sisters to break out the doilies just yet!