The Liverpool Echo describes his defence counsel as calling him a devout Jehovah's Witness and says that he got 3 years and three months. With "good behaviour" he'll be out in about 20 months. Scumbag.
Posts by freddo
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7JW paid 13-year-old girl to keep quiet about sex abuse
by behemot ina man who sexually abused a 13-year-old girl and took obscene photographs of her has been jailed for three years four months.. liverpool crown court heard that 54-year-old geoffrey massey would pay the teenager after molesting her at his home in an attempt to keep her quiet.. but his crimes eventually came to light after he confessed to his daughter, who told other relatives.. in april, following the revelations, his young victim took an overdose and had to be treated at hospital.. jailing 54-year-old massey, who is a jehovah's witness, judge adrian lyon said i have regard for the totality of the offences and in particular the last count, which dealt with a number of photographs you took of the child, aged 13, on your behalf.. there seems to have been a number of occasions on which you engaged in sexual activity with this child.. when the girl was interviewed by police she initially denied massey had done anything wrong.
she told officers he had given her the money for cleaning work.. but after officers re-interviewed her after getting more information, she revealed what had been happening, saying she had felt too foolish to admit it.. massey, of twickenham drive, leasowe, admitted sexual activity with a child, two counts of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity and one further offence of making indecent photographs.. the pictures were never discovered because he had deleted them from his computer.. lee bonner, defending, said once his client had begun the abuse he was too scared to stop for fear his victim would expose his crimes.. essentially, once he had begun he found it very difficult to stop, not because of any particular sexual satisfaction, but because once it had begun and he had begun to give her money he feared the complainant might tell people when the flow of money stopped.. mr bonner told how massey, who had no previous convictions, had left his family, but had been the subject of a hate campaign in his community.. source: http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/8718393.jehovah_s_witness_paid_13_year_old_girl_to_keep_quiet_about_sex_abuse/.
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It's a Child Molestor Paradise
by Cthulhu inin chapter 7 of the new elder book, page 98, a subpoint of paragraph 20, dealing with the matter of reproof, it is written "the judicial committee may have specific reasons to believe that the congregation needs to be on guard concerning the repentant wrongdoer.
perhaps he ignored previous counsel several times concerning steps leading to the same wrongdoing.
for example, in a case involving wrongdoing that could be viewed as child sexual abuse, announcing the reproof of a repentant wrongdoer will serve as a protection for the congregation.".
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freddo
Snoozy - that bit about "male scoutleader" is too extreme a stance for me. As mythbuster says we've had nursery school cases in the UK where women assistants have been involved in molestation or in letting partners molest without intervening.
Each case should be looked at thoroughly on its own merit and your child should be "armed beforehand" with what to do if they feel uncomfortable and how to loudly resist and report any inappropriate behaviour by anyone - schoolteacher, classmate, scoutleader, elder, stepsibling, parent etc etc.
Just because there are 1 in 100 or 1 in 1000 pedo's out there I don't want my kids being initially suspicious of everyone they meet.
Streetwise is what we want - not streetshy.
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Tomorrow will be one of the PROUDEST days of my life.
by nicolaou iniv'e been posting here a long time but here's something i never shared before .
i'm still a window cleaner.
i'm not going to rant at the 'society' because they don't own my anger anymore but my work is certainly a legacy of my cult past.
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freddo
Excellent news!
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Anyone got the December KM yet for UK
by alanv inas it is the end of the jw service year, it would be nice to see how they finished up in august 2010 as regards total publishers.. quite often there seems to be a big push to get as many as possable to put in a service report to finish the year off.. so a scan would be good or just a report on how many publishers they ended up with.
thanks.
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freddo
Here in the UK it is the immigrants from poorer countries where the increase is.
I reckon Europe could go stagnant this year - Germany and Scandinavia are often the "zero" heroes!
I wish all you happyclappy USA types would go minus for once! That would really give the boys in Brooklyn a scare!
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"That Letter" about sisters not allowed to spiral-bind the new elders manual
by freddo inyou know, the one from the usa branch/brooklyn.. well i ventured a question to a relative who is an elder here in the uk to see if a similar letter had been sent to elders here.
he knows i was an elder and he lets me joke with him to a certain level about how controlling the society is lately.. he confirmed that one has been received and he laughed because it says you can use a d-ring binder (which i guess is the equal uk term for the us "spiral bound" as long as you don't let worldly people do it and that you have to watch the brother do it.).
i asked whether sisters were allowed to do it and he said even the society wouldn't go that far and smiled.. sooooooo .... i am wondering if this uk letter has had the "sister" stuff pulled because it is such an embarrassment?.
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freddo
Sorry I can see my post can be read both ways. The elder I spoke to in the UK said yes there was a letter saying don't let unbelievers bind the new elders book and that if a brother did it you had to stand over him. I asked whether there was anything about sisters not being allowed to do it. (because I have seen the USA christian cong of jw's letter on this site) and he said there was nothing about sisters in the (UK) letter and he laughed meaning even the society wouldn't go as far as to put that in print!
Any UK takers?
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"That Letter" about sisters not allowed to spiral-bind the new elders manual
by freddo inyou know, the one from the usa branch/brooklyn.. well i ventured a question to a relative who is an elder here in the uk to see if a similar letter had been sent to elders here.
he knows i was an elder and he lets me joke with him to a certain level about how controlling the society is lately.. he confirmed that one has been received and he laughed because it says you can use a d-ring binder (which i guess is the equal uk term for the us "spiral bound" as long as you don't let worldly people do it and that you have to watch the brother do it.).
i asked whether sisters were allowed to do it and he said even the society wouldn't go that far and smiled.. sooooooo .... i am wondering if this uk letter has had the "sister" stuff pulled because it is such an embarrassment?.
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freddo
Thanks Scully - I get that - but whether elders are allowed to "spiral" or "D-ring" their "flock books" isn't my main thought - it's that I am wondering if the sisters being "not allowed" has been dropped from the UK version.
If so I think that is because of embarrassment at being caught out on the web!!!.
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"That Letter" about sisters not allowed to spiral-bind the new elders manual
by freddo inyou know, the one from the usa branch/brooklyn.. well i ventured a question to a relative who is an elder here in the uk to see if a similar letter had been sent to elders here.
he knows i was an elder and he lets me joke with him to a certain level about how controlling the society is lately.. he confirmed that one has been received and he laughed because it says you can use a d-ring binder (which i guess is the equal uk term for the us "spiral bound" as long as you don't let worldly people do it and that you have to watch the brother do it.).
i asked whether sisters were allowed to do it and he said even the society wouldn't go that far and smiled.. sooooooo .... i am wondering if this uk letter has had the "sister" stuff pulled because it is such an embarrassment?.
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freddo
You know, the one from the USA branch/brooklyn.
Well I ventured a question to a relative who is an elder here in the UK to see if a similar letter had been sent to elders here. He knows I was an elder and he lets me joke with him to a certain level about how controlling the society is lately.
He confirmed that one has been received and he laughed because it says you can use a D-Ring binder (which I guess is the equal UK term for the US "spiral bound" as long as you don't let worldly people do it and that you have to watch the brother do it.)
I asked whether sisters were allowed to do it and he said even the society wouldn't go that far and smiled.
Sooooooo .... I am wondering if this UK letter has had the "sister" stuff pulled because it is such an embarrassment?
Any elders from the UK or other British-English using countries confirm?
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KS10 Chapter Five Discussion
by yknot inreiteration that the below is a discussion of chapter 5 from 'shepherding the flock of god' which is published by the wts of penn/ny.
the wts is a non-profit that distributes it's publications free of charge worldwide.
this particular publication while not for sale (well none of the wts publications are either technically) is not distributed broadly but is still nonetheless part of their bible educational work, while not required donations are joyful accepted by all jws for the purpose of this work....... here are the previous discussion threads:.
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freddo
Or if young bro Hardcock shoots his load while dryhumping his girlfriend ...
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KS10 Chapter Three
by yknot inchapter three from 'shepherding the flock of go' published by the wts of penn/ny as part of their worldwide bible educational work.
the wts is a non-profit whose publications are not for sale but are freely given to those who show 'genuine' interest..... while not required, a donation is always joyfully accepted .
well i was going to stick to the boe ltr for a 'pre-view' but somebody deleted my sendspace links.
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freddo
Any change in the appointed men moving congregation procedure? That's a good opportunity to resign if you can work it.
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and so it begins... what next?
by bez inmy husband had another 'phone call' last night from the congregation po... the conversation went something like this..... po " i do not want to put words into your mouth but are you saying you no longer want to be recognised as a jw?".
hubby " i am not making that statement no... cut to the chase what are you getting at".
po " i have been informed you celebrated (child) birthday".
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freddo
I say this tongue in cheek (partly anyway! ) to those with difficult parents:
When you know you are to be disfellowshipped, write a letter to your mom and copy in individually the body of elders, and everyone in the congregation for whom you have an address.
Dear Mom,
I understand you are having difficulty with how you view the rules of your religion. I also understand you wish to see your grandchildren. You may do so.
However, we live in an age where a few people are abusive to children; either physically, sexually or are poisonous to them, either verbally or by their actions (they may even shun their children's parents - can you believe that?!). To protect our children we have decided that certain folk may only see our children when in the presence of their parents and we include you in this category.
If over time you can show that you show respect to us as their parents for our beliefs then we may extend this privilege further; but we know that at present the strictures of your religion, their enforcing by congregation elders and your own intransigence stops this.
For our part we undertake, out of respect for your faith, never to mention your religion in your presence and further agree to only discuss necessary family matters with you. This will include civility and decency in the way we talk to each other including customary greetings.
Please contact us soonest to come and see Damien, Lolita and baby Bundy, we will have coffee and cakes prepared.
I do hope you understand,
Your ever loving son and daughter-in-law,
Clyde and Bonnie
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