Posts by freddo

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Why is the loving shunning arrangement only mentioned

by poopie in

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one time on latest outlines which includes 2 circuit assemblies if so loving should it not be emphasised ?.

Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

by mrmagic in

due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

would hate to lose all those good videos!

How many do you figure are converted through the door to door ministry?

by HereIgo in

i regular pioneered for 2 years and never have actually converted anyone through the door to door work, in fact, i only knew a few individuals that joined this way.

most were born-in or at least had some type of family influence.

i had several bible studies but they all got cold feet when things got serious and potential baptism was discussed.

freddo

In the fifties through eighties they sometimes came in through door to door, Less in the 90's especially after the "generation" change. Virtually zero now with internet and overlapping generations.

In my hall the last of "stable" (if there is such a thing in JW land) ones came in in the 1980's.

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Bible contradictions.

by pleaseresearch in

what are your biggest, funniest, scariest, etc.... wait wt says there are non hahahah.

freddo

Good catch truth_b_known.

I love this community! Fifty years a JW and I learn new things here I never heard of before!

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Your Top Ten Favourite Movies?

by LoveUniHateExams in

just thought i'd start a thread about favourite movies.

mine, in no particular order, are .... alien - a great visual film.

the chest-bursting scene is still great to watch, no matter how many times i've seen the movie.

freddo

No particular order - but at the moment it is ...

Aliens

Alien

Dead Poets Society

Hacksaw Ridge

Terminator

Terminator 2 Judgement Day

Apollo 13

Cast Away

Zulu

A Fistful of Dollars

Others float in and out of my top ten like Jaws, Pale Rider or The Good the Bad and the Ugly, Deliverance, Prometheus, Capricorn One ...

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How much do you think the internet has hurt JW growth?

by HereIgo in

the internet is what helped bring me and so many others out of this evil organization or at least confirmed our doubts.

i have to say, i have seen quite a few youtube videos recently of ex jw's secretly recording their interactions inside of different congregations, halls, etc and see how empty the halls are!

so many people comment on how the attendance is so low, far more emptier than when i was in 6 years ago, even on a weekday meeting.

freddo

I remember similar Pale.E.

At our D.C. the "aghast brother" didn't specify what he saw on his laptop but it obviously shocked the poor darling to the core and he resolved to stay away from the nasty internet.

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"... climate of disfellowshipping in Hull currently... " - Hull Daily Mail

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

article from the above news paper... .

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/hull-jehovahs-witnesses-speak-out-444185.

maybe boe in north east england having an attack of zealous fervour!

freddo

Oh look! Polly Parrot is parroting the half truths from JWdotborg website with "theocratic warfare" ...

"A spokesman explained the process of disfellowship and shunning.

He said: “Those who were baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned. In fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest.

“We do not automatically disfellowship someone who commits a serious sin. If, however, a baptized Witness makes a practice of breaking the Bible’s moral code and does not repent, he or she will be shunned or disfellowshipped.

“The religious ties someone who is disfellowshipped had with their family changes, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue.”"

Deceitful little parrot repeating the deceitful words on the deceitful website.

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JW.org is a real estate and publishing company disguesd as a religion.

by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

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since my awakening i have tried to understand why and how people could continue to believe so blindly in a proven false "religious" cult that has such an extensive and detailed record of scandals, lies and cover ups???

i've come to the personal conclusion that there are three major reasons.

i call them the 3 f-ups!

freddo

LV said "Uncon - do you think there are lots of others just playin the game?"

I don't know about "lots" but in my hall there I think the broad brush proportions in varying degrees are:

A) Full on believers - active not letting doubts get through. 40%

B) Believers that "struggle" to believe - shown by lethargy, ME type symptoms, mental illness etc. 40%

C) Those that know the gig is up but go through the motions. 5-10%

D) Memorial "surfacers" (who maybe a subset of B or C) only 10-15%

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How much do you think the internet has hurt JW growth?

by HereIgo in

the internet is what helped bring me and so many others out of this evil organization or at least confirmed our doubts.

i have to say, i have seen quite a few youtube videos recently of ex jw's secretly recording their interactions inside of different congregations, halls, etc and see how empty the halls are!

so many people comment on how the attendance is so low, far more emptier than when i was in 6 years ago, even on a weekday meeting.

freddo

I liken it to the gears of a car.

1st Gear: Up until the mid-2000s the internet was only available on the family PC or the worker with their laptop and internet access. Also WT was very scathing of the internet and gave it a red light.

2nd Gear: Mid-2000's onwards Smartphones and tablets became increasingly available and surfing the net in privacy became much more easy to all family members. WT gave an amber light to limited use of the internet by going on line itself.

3rd Gear: We've shifted into this gear with pre-teens and poorer countries getting smart technology. JWborg is in full flow with the internet being embraced with a tacit green light. JWTV is out there in all its awful parody/glory. Everyone from 9 to 90 is being encouraged to go on line to receive JW litter-ature. Trolley-Dolleys encourage the public to check out JWborg. (What else will they check?)

Result? Increasing concern, apathy, disbelief, quiet rebellion and out and out apostasy. In the field only the mentally ill come in and only the born-in kids get baptised.

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Shunning

by sinboi in

did the org have any guidelines on shunning?.

if the son is d/a or d/f, are the parents supposed to disown him, chase him out of the house?.

for husband and wife, do they need to divorce or what?.

freddo

Hi Sinboi here's "da rulez"

You cannot be DF'd for associating with another DFd person unless you are vocally going about saying you don't agree with the decision to DF or otherwise sticking it in their faces where they bring in "brazen conduct" - the clever catch-all sin. If the parents are discreet it may not be an issue. If caught out by some nosey busybody who runs to the elders they (the parents) can claim "necessary private family business" without disclosing what it was.

If the DF'd relative is a minor then the parents get a free pass to keep them in their home until they are an adult before they get pressure to do otherwise. This is not rigorously enforced at age 18 but at 19 or especially 20 upwards they will get pressured to consider why the DFd person is there. If it is perceived that you are there because you just want to then the parents will get more pressure. At the other end of the scale if the householder wants his DFd parent to live with him because he is aging or unwell then the same scrutiny will apply. Needed or just convenient?

Now if the Parent is a pioneer or especially an appointed MS or Elder then his qualifications will be "considered" (scrutinised) and unless there is a damned good (JW) reason then they will be deleted from their position.

If they aren't an MS or Elder then the elders may choose to restrict "privileges" as they see fit.

If you are joining the army then I guess you would only be able to try to visit your parents when you are "on leave" and so if your parents operate an "under the radar" policy the problem shouldn't arise.

I guess the problem will be whether your parents will go against "da rulez" rather than the elders who may not be aware of your visits.