Posts by freddo

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So What Drastic Money Change is Next?

by OnTheWayOut in

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okay, they cheapened the product by getting rid of hardcover books.

they reduced printing of mags.

they drastically reduced the number of pieces of printed paper that members would "place" in people's hands in various ways, the biggest one being that they put them on a cart and don't encourage people to take them.they cut d.o.

freddo

I think that they (Slim will hate this ...) will stay self sufficient.

They will just sell off KH's in a reactionary way depending how the lawsuits stack up. More lawsuits will bring "NEW LIGHT" of one meeting a week at one triplex KH per city or area - each then be shared by 15-20 congregations.

Let me explain by example.

Plymouth in the UK - now 8 congregation sharing 3 halls.

1 hall is a modern 3 hall complex where 5 congs and a Polish group meet - the other three are slightly outlying with one cong per hall.

By moving those three (selling their KH's of course!) into the 3 hall complex you could have 9 congs and one group. THAT is with two meetings a week!

NEXT STAGE

Drop to one per week with a 30 mile radius and this complex could house 20 and have congregations from as far afield as Bodmin, Launceston and Totnes.

Another super triple hall each in Truro, Torquay and Exeter would mean that Devon and Cornwall would have only 4 jw.borg buildings for 60 odd congregations with journeys largely on 70 mph dual carriageways/motorways.

In the "west" the borg is so property rich and with so much opportunity to go on line it is unlikely to have big financial woes for a long time to come.

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JW UK Branch update 2018: "Follow the White Elephant"

by Fay Dehr in

https://youtu.be/y5uydq1mwtm.

freddo

That was brilliant! (Loved the "Steptoe and Son" theme tune towards the end - Brits will understand)

I'm sure we all knew about NO MORE PRINTERY - but the point about 14 accommodation blocks down to 5 shows up what a vanity project it was/is!

I think some of the Peter Bell and GB (esp TPT) stuff was cut for comic effect so I wouldn't take it as gospel.

Maybe Fay Dehr will tell us more.

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WT Finger Pointing

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you have examples of wt style finger pointing (with 3 pointing right back).

"satans organization claims to be gods organization, and persecutes those who are actually members of gods organization.

satans organization sails under the high-sounding name of "christendom".

freddo

Try this ...

*** g94 3/8 p. 28 Watching the World ***

More Victims Sue Church

Victims of sexual abuse in Australian religious institutions run by Catholic “brothers” are banding together to take what The Canberra Times describes as one of the biggest class actions in Australian legal history. An application to allow more than 250 writs to be lodged for compensation was filed recently by an organization representing former child victims.

The abuse is alleged to have occurred from the 1940’s right up until the 1980’s, and the main defendants cited in the writs include several Catholic archdioceses. One Marist brother has already been convicted of sexual assault. The lawyer representing the victim in this case said: “We’re facing the tip of the iceberg. There’s a deluge of actions likely to occur in the next few years. All religious institutions would need to be concerned.”

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A Captive organization . Explained perfectly by Angus Stewart during the ARC Australian investigation

by Not_Culty in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyltpct8dc8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyltpct8dc8.

freddo

O'Brien (Branch co-ordinator Australia) Lies.

From 1:25 - 1:45

He says the whole purpose for DF/DA is to help the person see the benefits of associating.

From 1:45 - 2:00

He says a DA'd person particularly (rather than a DF'd person) doesn't have to go through a lengthy procedure to come back (to jw's)

Liar, Liar, (tight) pants on fire!

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It's not disfelowipping it's shunning canada

by poopie in

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friends

human rigjts..

freddo

I understood poopie to say ...

"It's not just the disfellowshipping - it's the shunning, Canada!"

I get that the cult might DF and stop association in meetings and ministry. But there is no reason to enforce shunning. Especially close family shunning.

So you get an uptick from me poopster!

RIGJT?

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District overseers

by Boredposter in

are they really gone in the u.s.?

what replaces them?.

freddo

DO's officially finished on August 31st 2014. Also the travelling overseer upper limit of age 70 came in then and so that naturally culled a lot of them along with many CO's too.

The DO's used to usually get drawn from the ranks of the CO's. They oversaw the District conventions, went with the CO twice a year to congregations to "encourage" and train them.

They would also ride shotgun with a regular CO on more difficult or multi-circuit "problems".

Now the longer serving and more capable CO's oversee the REGIONAL conventions and also go with the less experienced CO's to "problem" congregations but less frequently than twice a year.

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UK justice..

by zeb in

tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

freddo

I have nothing more to add other than the Judge decides - not the police. He was there. We weren't.

I'd rather be having a conversation about this with you guys and gals than going on the ministry that's for sure!

Okay. I'm out on this one unless other stuff comes to light in the near future. Have a lovely day everyone.

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UK justice..

by zeb in

tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

freddo

The Guardians journalists are our friends when they highlight JW child abuse and the United Nations link to Watchtower aren't they?

They may well even have their head in the clouds and sit around at left leaning dinner parties in the London-bubble but they aren't reporting for extreme or far-left papers and I believe that in general terms they aim for accuracy in their stories.

And if you had highlighted journalists on the more "on the right of centre" Daily Mail - like John Junor or Keith Waterhouse I'd believe their desire for honesty and accuracy too.

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UK justice..

by zeb in

tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

freddo

LUHE -

The initial ban on reporting by judge Geoffrey Marson was to ensure a fair trial.

The ban to stop media reporting Tommy Robinson's arrest was a follow on from that to ensure the same goal. Because in so doing - the Judge felt - his live streaming comments may have prejudiced the case.

The only person who can answer why in detail is the Judge in the case. Why don't you write to him and ask? A Judge has a lot of power. You need a court order in the middle of the night to ensure that doctors can treat a child or vulnerable adult and a Judge can so order.

Imagine that at the ARC there was a raving apostate who hated child abuse and made a scene at or outside the hearings. Imagine said apostate had a history of doing it.

I would have the utmost sympathy for him/her.

BUT if Judge McClellan thought the antics might intimidate witnesses to the case and had said to the court ushers - "keep him outside at a distance - he isn't helping this enquiry" and the apostate persisted then he would likely get removed. If he had a "history" he might get arrested. If he had a suspended sentence against him he might go to prison.

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UK justice..

by zeb in

tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.

yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.

his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?

freddo

Back to LUHE

Barry's video and post says there WERE journalists outside Leeds Crown Court. There WERE journalists outside Rolf Harris's trial.

The media "ban" - which was actually a "temporary" court order, I believe - was because the Judge in the case ordered it.

As you know the Judge in a case has the power and the duty to conduct a trial fairly and he believed that Tommy Robinson's conduct was a problem as it may have impacted on the case he was trying.

At this stage I have nothing to say that he (the judge) was someone else's puppet or had some hidden agenda.

The ban has been lifted and "everyone" can view/comment.