of course anyone not a jw is "worldly""...i think that mentally this is the hardest part to overcome if you are born in..... you should have seen the look on my wife's face recently when i told her that i feel that things are prob about as good as it gets.....no evil wicked system of things exists........ ya..... i know times are tough here in usa as far as employment.....but damm....this ain't like the great depression or wwi or ww2!!
!.......life in the middle ages used to be 38 years......now it is 88 years!!!.......
i can walk just about any neighborhood without fear...if the "world" were as bad as they say...there would be a prisons every 1000 meters!!!
NOTE: as I was attempting to post, and it took so long.. posts came through from Outlaw and SSPO.. neither of them from USA.
Therefore I am apparently.. incorrect as they are (in contradistinction to the other-former posters, and my statement in relation to this
apparent Amerio-heterogenity) i am glad to be proven incorrect!! :) By the way, as it is pertinent; I remain a JW in bad-standing ;)
of course anyone not a jw is "worldly""...i think that mentally this is the hardest part to overcome if you are born in..... you should have seen the look on my wife's face recently when i told her that i feel that things are prob about as good as it gets.....no evil wicked system of things exists........ ya..... i know times are tough here in usa as far as employment.....but damm....this ain't like the great depression or wwi or ww2!!
!.......life in the middle ages used to be 38 years......now it is 88 years!!!.......
i can walk just about any neighborhood without fear...if the "world" were as bad as they say...there would be a prisons every 1000 meters!!!
I hear what ya-all sayin :) and while I agree on 'the score' that J "W"s have made a binary dis-stunk-tion between the wicked or worldly ( here read, non-j.w) and righteous (here read: J W!!) ... yeah right.!!
But I see all posters above are in the USA.. from Rhode Island to Washington, etcetra> but none from Africa 0h Yes! where you will find that life has mostly reduced!! In Zimbabwe it is 27 ! Yes, that is the average lifespan. Ofcourse this is not longevity of the average person per se'./ BUT on account of high degree of infanticide, HIV-Aids deaths, the rampant cholera epidemic that has killed thousands in short thrift (few months) rampant political violence, abuse of the most vulnerable of society (women and children) in a male-DOMINATED archaic society..
and the above in spite of it (Zimbabwe) having previously been theagricultural "Bread-basket" of that region of the world! IT has only especially been so there since the year 2000. I could go on and on to enumerate the problems and the statistics, as I am in Zimbabwe regularly; and work in some of the worst of the worst situations, sadly but truly. Yet, aspects of the above experienced there are more extreme in some respects in other countries of Africa! Such as violent crime in the country of South Africa.,, and civil war of differing degrees in the Sudan, especially southern Sudan. and too in the Eastern regions of the Democratic (?) Republic of Congo.
So, does this mean that the world is spinning out of control>?> I am interested to read the responses of those here (on this Forum) who have visited, worked or read extensively/studied the history, politics and present situation in Africa. (I personally DO NOT buy in to the WTBTS dogma)
Do I have my own theories.. on the above (based on an amalgam-outcome of: my observations and tertiary studies on African History and Politics)... Yes sir! ... I am African - altho I am white - I am African. Anyway, lot of this may be should be in a n o t h e r thread. G'day :)
does anyone who chats here live in south africa?
i feel a bit lonely, haven't really seen anyone from sa here yet.... "i see no good reasons why the views given in this volume should shock the religious sensibilities of anyone.
" -- charles darwin, the origin of species, 1869.
Princess, Mr Smith..and others!!
Lekker ekse !! Jammer ek het nie die internet 'n paar dae' .. inelkeval.. se nou wat. ONS GAAN BRAAI! and especially after the Bulls victory!!
Hehe.. Hey Jakes, I am unsure the reason ek kan nie nou my e-pos kry nie??
Anyway, yeah.. let's keep flying the flag.. OoooOpps! errr.. tooo nationalistic ?? I'm interested in any thoughts on J.Z.'s State of the Nation Speech
yesterday..<??> Also, at this rate maybe>?we could soon have our own S.A. X-Dub Forum ,,>hmmm>!
Deano :)
Hey HI! LOUBELLE! another Suid-Afrikaner.. kewl !
Me: In 1996 (diped)
In 2001 - began fading
In 2003 - seen as apostate by some, not all .. confused/ing situation.. (explain ya-all on seperate thread.if need be)
Haven't officially 'left'.. 2 much collateral damage to in-law family, they still confused :)
i was looking for articles on mennonites on the official wtbts website when this article caught my eye:.
negotiating a reasonable bride-price.
today, as in bible times, some cultures require that a bride-price be paid before a man can marry a woman.
hehehe ... yeah, well Mrs Jones.. Not necessarily: in South Africa 11 cows is all it takes!
Real !! Now, what an exchange: and you can have as many wives as you have cows!!
YOU guys R really goin ta milk' this topic, aint ya ..
PS: Ninja, did yo see "Last King of Scotland" ?? hmm mmm Hahaha
does anyone who chats here live in south africa?
i feel a bit lonely, haven't really seen anyone from sa here yet.... "i see no good reasons why the views given in this volume should shock the religious sensibilities of anyone.
" -- charles darwin, the origin of species, 1869.
Thanks aseltone and sad emo!
I will try get in contact ... free Afrikaans lessons anyone, hmm heheh ..
does anyone who chats here live in south africa?
i feel a bit lonely, haven't really seen anyone from sa here yet.... "i see no good reasons why the views given in this volume should shock the religious sensibilities of anyone.
" -- charles darwin, the origin of species, 1869.
Sorry I am 7 years late. . but yeah. . i am here... in So Africa.
Look forward to chatting/ try reach me on first through this forum.. Lekker ou boet!! Hou aan om jou Afrikaans daar onder te oefen, ne?!?
" I see no reason why the lateness of my leaving Boredom in Borgdom and evolving to apostay should shock anyone" - Dean Os. South Africa
i was looking for articles on mennonites on the official wtbts website when this article caught my eye:.
negotiating a reasonable bride-price.
today, as in bible times, some cultures require that a bride-price be paid before a man can marry a woman.
Ziddina, I am African ( well, that may be relevant or no: depending ...) and tho I just now saw your post and paste.
When something of this nature is considered: bear in mind that Labola (name for the so called 'bride price') is an obligatory custom or practise in near all of Africa.
No offence , but may I suggest you do some research or speak to some or another African ( I do mean living in Africa, or having come recently from.. not merely by virtue of melonin content - no offence intended to any). Further, watch some West African, or even solidly and truly African South African movies and see how you then feel.
I am interested to dialog on this. Jah's blessing :)
ps> there is no violation of rights' of any in payment of labola - I desist from the term 'bride price' --: as it would incorrectly infer that the 'bride to be' is 'bought'. Not so!! PS ii) Oh yeah. Oh i jus remembered, there is a good local (South Africa) program entitled "Isidingo" that may be helpful..let me know whether you'd like copy... Africa shouldn't be shamed by misunderstanding :)
obituary january 13, 2095. .
john mcdonald 1990-2095. the last known jehovah's witness died today, of natural causes at his home in brooklyn ny.
he survived by three children, six grandchildren and two great grand-children.
Brilliant Bene!
Sorry to be2 years too-late.. (jus joined this forum) glad I did
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i noticed on another thread a poster stating that he felt that unhappy jw's were in the minority.. .
ah .. ... just couldn't help but start with the bright smiley -- little ironic ?? maybe, or not..
Truth be said, I was not terribly unhappy in the Org. But then too i think this harks-back to what one own's personal background is..
(Please allow me to briefly elucidate? K? ) Thanks, and I mean 'briefly' as there's a full-blown unedited version - for sale ; (when you're really bored and/or need 'help' with 'assisted suicide' ) . Yeah, so what I mean; quite seriously is that if one's background has been oppresive and overbearing & parents who have opposed any association with the " Jehovah's Church" ..then strangely enough.. one 'joins' in an act of rebellion and voila! and Eureka!! finds... yep.. the eternal elixir of eternal joy on earth, in a spiritual paradise of course!
Seriously, more serious I can-nay be! See, when your 'enemy' are those of your own family; be they dysfunctional.. and moooorR.. then the WT soccer-team seems the side that (a) at least picks 'me' and (b) gives automatic family 'n friends...
This is my first post, thanks... hope it wasn't too long.. anyone ever interested in 'da whole 30 years in the Tower' ..jus ask Α to Ω . Safrican. [email protected] or msn: [email protected] . Anyone 'wat de Taal praat' no isiZulu khuluma, most welcome :) -:))
