Posts by DeanOs

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this evil ...wicked.....rotton system of things.....NOT!!!!.........

by oompa in

of course anyone not a jw is "worldly""...i think that mentally this is the hardest part to overcome if you are born in..... you should have seen the look on my wife's face recently when i told her that i feel that things are prob about as good as it gets.....no evil wicked system of things exists........ ya..... i know times are tough here in usa as far as employment.....but damm....this ain't like the great depression or wwi or ww2!!

!.......life in the middle ages used to be 38 years......now it is 88 years!!!.......

i can walk just about any neighborhood without fear...if the "world" were as bad as they say...there would be a prisons every 1000 meters!!!

DeanOs

I must give in to the admission that you are the bigger in elements of self-control than I :) Good on yer beksbks!!

Ok, umm yes,, I was a J W.., and have not as yet fomally 'cut the cord'. for reasons of spouse and in-laws.

Yes, I understand what you are saying..about the treatment 100 years ago, and that sure i t would ha ve been a whole lot worse. Correct! And that surely would have been quite awful..! Sure. As to Zim's 'tumultuous past'.. ah no! They were literally the chief provider of food for the bulk of Africa, due to very productive commercial farming. Yes, under the "Ian Smith" governance, there was (after he declared U D I , or Unilateral Declaration of Independence ..from U.K.) some degree of unfair treatment.. but nothing at all approaching the genocide in (formerly German South West Africa) and by King Leopold of Belgium in the <then>Belgian Congo,.. with wholesale slaughter..! (And yes, showing how evil those times were, in comparison with now).

But, it was particularly after the "Land invasions" and racist actions of the so-called war veterans of the former "war of Liberation" that preceded the Independence of Zimbabwe that led to collapse of its agicultural sector and too its economy (as Governor of the Reserve Bank, Gideon Gono; printed money like it was tissue paper, to fund numerous ...) anyway these combination of factors led collectively to Zim's currently being a 'failing state'.

Indeed; I wish the U S did or would help in the case of Zim.. but no way!! Anyhow, the current (so-called) Unity Government is really a farce, IMO; and too the opposition ( Movement for Democratic Change, or M D C..who has now its leader M. Tsvangiri as Prime Minister) has had his wife 'accidently killed' in a head-on collision two weeks after he was inaugerated! His grand-daughter 'drowned' just weeks thereafter.. is it little wonder he is ( n o w ) making 'noises' that sound like "we're all having a Summer Holiday"...

Oh, I mistakenly failed to mention the author of "BATTLE FOR ZIMBABWE" is Geoff Hill. It outlines and pointedly ..with good reason.. shows that as long as Mugabe is at the helm (and he is, and shall remain so).. then there is suffering and it is worsening. I do hope things 'change'..

My studies are in African Politics (its my 'area of speciality' , so to speak.. at the University of South Africa , or UNISA).. and while I understand you speak of 'the world in general'.. I personally have spent time as well in South America, and have family and friends in India..and family in Central America.. collectively a larger portion of people in these countries experience terrible suffering, and t m k medical advantage is more limited to those who can afford it. I care to repeat to emphasize -- 1 Billion live in Africa alone.. that is at least one in seven -- a sizeable proportion.. AND bear in mind things are quite skewed , respectfully ; as most of those without means to proper nutrition can NOT 'argue their case' over the net.. as we can.. the silent ( x?x % ). Who is to 'speak on their behalf' . ? With thanks for reading and responding :)

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this evil ...wicked.....rotton system of things.....NOT!!!!.........

by oompa in

of course anyone not a jw is "worldly""...i think that mentally this is the hardest part to overcome if you are born in..... you should have seen the look on my wife's face recently when i told her that i feel that things are prob about as good as it gets.....no evil wicked system of things exists........ ya..... i know times are tough here in usa as far as employment.....but damm....this ain't like the great depression or wwi or ww2!!

!.......life in the middle ages used to be 38 years......now it is 88 years!!!.......

i can walk just about any neighborhood without fear...if the "world" were as bad as they say...there would be a prisons every 1000 meters!!!

DeanOs

Beksbks..

Congratulations, its no wonder you have the American flag alongside your statement AS

to make a simple comparison of the very items you mentioned - is EXACTLY the reason for the catastrophic situation in Zimbabwe,

which did precisely have all of the fore-said you mentioned -- and they ARE NO isolated example.

As I mentioned above; two million SOuth Africans have left... and three Million Zimbabweans have over the last six years (mostly illegally)poured

over into the borders into (our country) ie. South Africa: and AS a Direct RESULT - in oppo to what you said.. there HAS BEEN an 'explosion' of organized Xenophobic violence... hithertofore never seen here.. nor anywhere in the SADC region. ( ??Lack of war with the next town??) when one of the very reasons has to do with the lack of piped water -they HAD it- and everthing has collapsed.. due to corrupt rule of Robert Mugabe.. hence the skirmishes and death camps there (see: www.TheZImbabwean.co.uk ) and collateral damage to civilians , political opponents such as the MDC in particular , under Morgan Tsvangirai and also the faction under Proffessor Arthur Martumbare.

Why the Cholera (i had already mentioned in above post) ... something that SHOULD be easily treatable ..? WHy?due to the unsanitory water and lack of Medical facilities..NOW IF .. if they had not had these before, I would say.. ah, things as per usual.. but Crap! .. things have gone from great to ble*ding awful..

"Strolling down the grocery isles..?" strolling down/// are you insane?? have you thought of that in regions of the Congo.. or for the impoverished in Uganda (you been there lately??? I have.. how the h*ll can you speak of that which you know squat"") as for the 'isles' of shops in Zim (babwe) there has hardly been a thing on the shelves of this former 'bread-basket' of Africa for number of years,,, as the rate of inflation is currently at a worse than staggering 200 Million percent..! Oh , yeah, .. you knew that?? Are you altogether ill-informed.. or simply not-knowing the world outside of your sanitory, clean-water piped water.. yada yada..

If you watch many of the children here, at play.. having lost other young siblings used (this especially in the congo) used as child soldiers.. and parents lost to war.. their 'entertainement' is to play 'war'

And..., hell... I don't know where you are at!! I acknowledge that the reality you describe IS your reality.. but that is where it ends..for 1 Billion people (half of them, largely VERY oppressed women,, with rampant 'female circumcision' and all it entails - really sad) it is 'hell' and it is

getting

worse. Please.. see reality here too. Thank you.

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this evil ...wicked.....rotton system of things.....NOT!!!!.........

by oompa in

of course anyone not a jw is "worldly""...i think that mentally this is the hardest part to overcome if you are born in..... you should have seen the look on my wife's face recently when i told her that i feel that things are prob about as good as it gets.....no evil wicked system of things exists........ ya..... i know times are tough here in usa as far as employment.....but damm....this ain't like the great depression or wwi or ww2!!

!.......life in the middle ages used to be 38 years......now it is 88 years!!!.......

i can walk just about any neighborhood without fear...if the "world" were as bad as they say...there would be a prisons every 1000 meters!!!

DeanOs

OOmpa, thanks for your reply to my comment - but it HAS NOT always been that way! YOu're making a classic incorrect assumption.
WHy not (even go to) Wikipedia and see what the longevity of the average Zimbabwean (who have 99 % literacy) was even 20 years ago !
Way higher!!

Was the Health System a wreck -a s it IS now - NO!

Were thousands THEN dying of Cholera ?
-- NO! --

I could continue,.. don't mean to 'burst your bubble' /// but sadly you are in denial.

What is the population of the continent of Africa ?
Answer that and you should get some better perspective!

Try a read of "THE STATE OF AFRICA" by Meredith.

Also, THE BATTLE FOR ZIMBABWE, by

Now, to BEREAN

you ' rest your case'

sorry buddy; you don't even have a 'case' to make!!
Why is it you glibly state my world is 'better than it has ever been'..?
Do you or have you actually experienced 'my' world..?
I might be wrong, but I don't think so!

So, reconsider...!

Then too, none have actually answered the question I asked.

Why not.. hmm, rather thinly veiled glib replies without substance.

My world is one of ever-escalating crime, the highest murder rate in the world... along with one-in-four individuals having HIV and nearly as

many living with full-blown AIDS.. daily thousands die through AIDs-related TB and other otherwise very easily curable causes.

Millions are raised by child-headed households in our region .. was that the case before.. where are the parents? Dead or dying of HIV-Aids, was that the case before??
Is it sad! Damn RIGHT!! Can you see it? My point is to assist you in re-assessing your view so as to be more HOLISTIC in your appraisal, please.

Do you see daily emaciated bodies that come in to a public Recreational facility?? And that is normal> iS that normal where YOU are..!
Brighter, better..?? Maybe if you're British.. or an A+ if ... AHhhh well ... Berean.. please .. I am happy to do more research, supply sources and send stats on our changing reality! One concession here is the end of Apartheid. Great. But ask yourself, why have nearly two million skilled people left SoutH Africa in little under 15 years .?? .. because, Berean.. things have got better.../???

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Did the WT ever show prejudice against black people?

by jambon1 in

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it has come to my attention that there was a time when the wt magazine or some other wt.

publication actually printed an article(s) relating to black people being 'cursed' or unworthy of gods blessing.. .

if so, is there any reliable copies of this text?.

DeanOs

Mad Giant! Thanks man!!
Something like this is something that I have been looking long forward to.

I am in South Africa, appreciate the comment on matters racial here.. and have posted on this askew in another thread..just today.

Here Bethel tried to integrate, back in the day of "Grand Apartheid" .., and despite State regulation.. but pretty unique circumstances and good for P.R. later ( as in now, that Apartheid has fallen ) .. and in any event ; I have heard more than my fair-share of racist remarks from especially white Witnesses in this ol' South Africa (new So.Africa too).. to the point where many won't go to a congregation closer to them, as 'it's mostly bleks! bliksim!" .. hmm

I have the Reprints of the old Watchtowers (back to the first until end of 1916) and can say that the quotes within that range are correct.

Nice work. :)
PS. Anything you might like to know on SO Africa, and the SADC region.. please ask !!! cheers.

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this evil ...wicked.....rotton system of things.....NOT!!!!.........

by oompa in

of course anyone not a jw is "worldly""...i think that mentally this is the hardest part to overcome if you are born in..... you should have seen the look on my wife's face recently when i told her that i feel that things are prob about as good as it gets.....no evil wicked system of things exists........ ya..... i know times are tough here in usa as far as employment.....but damm....this ain't like the great depression or wwi or ww2!!

!.......life in the middle ages used to be 38 years......now it is 88 years!!!.......

i can walk just about any neighborhood without fear...if the "world" were as bad as they say...there would be a prisons every 1000 meters!!!

DeanOs

Interested... when you guys refer to 'the world'.. are you referring to the "FIRST world" or "DEVELOPED world" ..as by your references (to the Netherlands.. those in the U.K. ,, in Canada .. to your.. as in your very own.. are you perhaps just forgetting -willfully or perhaps simply forgetting) the plight of those in the "THIRD world" or "DEVELOPING world"..

Has anyone here any knowledge of SOCIAL Development?

I am interested first in facts. . and if that irks some, sorry.. but you seem to be sailing through blindfolded and each one blowing into the sails ofanother.. let's be real.

As for myself -- I do work of sorts in both the USA, and UK. I do not know Aus, nor many of the islands... but I know Africa.. how it has been raped. . plundered first by the illegal actions of the West; and now too especially b y their o w n .. COnsider doing some research.. like to join you, sing together "Kumbaya..." but come on!!

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this evil ...wicked.....rotton system of things.....NOT!!!!.........

by oompa in

of course anyone not a jw is "worldly""...i think that mentally this is the hardest part to overcome if you are born in..... you should have seen the look on my wife's face recently when i told her that i feel that things are prob about as good as it gets.....no evil wicked system of things exists........ ya..... i know times are tough here in usa as far as employment.....but damm....this ain't like the great depression or wwi or ww2!!

!.......life in the middle ages used to be 38 years......now it is 88 years!!!.......

i can walk just about any neighborhood without fear...if the "world" were as bad as they say...there would be a prisons every 1000 meters!!!

DeanOs

NOTE: as I was attempting to post, and it took so long.. posts came through from Outlaw and SSPO.. neither of them from USA.

Therefore I am apparently.. incorrect as they are (in contradistinction to the other-former posters, and my statement in relation to this

apparent Amerio-heterogenity) i am glad to be proven incorrect!! :) By the way, as it is pertinent; I remain a JW in bad-standing ;)

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this evil ...wicked.....rotton system of things.....NOT!!!!.........

by oompa in

of course anyone not a jw is "worldly""...i think that mentally this is the hardest part to overcome if you are born in..... you should have seen the look on my wife's face recently when i told her that i feel that things are prob about as good as it gets.....no evil wicked system of things exists........ ya..... i know times are tough here in usa as far as employment.....but damm....this ain't like the great depression or wwi or ww2!!

!.......life in the middle ages used to be 38 years......now it is 88 years!!!.......

i can walk just about any neighborhood without fear...if the "world" were as bad as they say...there would be a prisons every 1000 meters!!!

DeanOs

NOTE: as I was attempting to post, and it took so long.. posts came through from Outlaw and SSPO.. neither of them from USA.

Therefore I am apparently.. incorrect as they are (in contradistinction to the other-former posters, and my statement in relation to this

apparent Amerio-heterogenity) i am glad to be proven incorrect!! :) By the way, as it is pertinent; I remain a JW in bad-standing ;)

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this evil ...wicked.....rotton system of things.....NOT!!!!.........

by oompa in

of course anyone not a jw is "worldly""...i think that mentally this is the hardest part to overcome if you are born in..... you should have seen the look on my wife's face recently when i told her that i feel that things are prob about as good as it gets.....no evil wicked system of things exists........ ya..... i know times are tough here in usa as far as employment.....but damm....this ain't like the great depression or wwi or ww2!!

!.......life in the middle ages used to be 38 years......now it is 88 years!!!.......

i can walk just about any neighborhood without fear...if the "world" were as bad as they say...there would be a prisons every 1000 meters!!!

DeanOs

I hear what ya-all sayin :) and while I agree on 'the score' that J "W"s have made a binary dis-stunk-tion between the wicked or worldly ( here read, non-j.w) and righteous (here read: J W!!) ... yeah right.!!

But I see all posters above are in the USA.. from Rhode Island to Washington, etcetra> but none from Africa 0h Yes! where you will find that life has mostly reduced!! In Zimbabwe it is 27 ! Yes, that is the average lifespan. Ofcourse this is not longevity of the average person per se'./ BUT on account of high degree of infanticide, HIV-Aids deaths, the rampant cholera epidemic that has killed thousands in short thrift (few months) rampant political violence, abuse of the most vulnerable of society (women and children) in a male-DOMINATED archaic society..

and the above in spite of it (Zimbabwe) having previously been theagricultural "Bread-basket" of that region of the world! IT has only especially been so there since the year 2000. I could go on and on to enumerate the problems and the statistics, as I am in Zimbabwe regularly; and work in some of the worst of the worst situations, sadly but truly. Yet, aspects of the above experienced there are more extreme in some respects in other countries of Africa! Such as violent crime in the country of South Africa.,, and civil war of differing degrees in the Sudan, especially southern Sudan. and too in the Eastern regions of the Democratic (?) Republic of Congo.

So, does this mean that the world is spinning out of control>?> I am interested to read the responses of those here (on this Forum) who have visited, worked or read extensively/studied the history, politics and present situation in Africa. (I personally DO NOT buy in to the WTBTS dogma)

Do I have my own theories.. on the above (based on an amalgam-outcome of: my observations and tertiary studies on African History and Politics)... Yes sir! ... I am African - altho I am white - I am African. Anyway, lot of this may be should be in a n o t h e r thread. G'day :)

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Any Ex-JW's from South Africa here?

by SYN in

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does anyone who chats here live in south africa?

i feel a bit lonely, haven't really seen anyone from sa here yet.... "i see no good reasons why the views given in this volume should shock the religious sensibilities of anyone.

" -- charles darwin, the origin of species, 1869.

DeanOs

Princess, Mr Smith..and others!!

Lekker ekse !! Jammer ek het nie die internet 'n paar dae' .. inelkeval.. se nou wat. ONS GAAN BRAAI! and especially after the Bulls victory!!

Hehe.. Hey Jakes, I am unsure the reason ek kan nie nou my e-pos kry nie??

Anyway, yeah.. let's keep flying the flag.. OoooOpps! errr.. tooo nationalistic ?? I'm interested in any thoughts on J.Z.'s State of the Nation Speech

yesterday..<??> Also, at this rate maybe>?we could soon have our own S.A. X-Dub Forum ,,>hmmm>!

Deano :)

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How long were you a member of Jehovahs Witnesses?

by Quirky1 in

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me, about 7 years...

DeanOs

Hey HI! LOUBELLE! another Suid-Afrikaner.. kewl !

Me: In 1996 (diped)

In 2001 - began fading

In 2003 - seen as apostate by some, not all .. confused/ing situation.. (explain ya-all on seperate thread.if need be)

Haven't officially 'left'.. 2 much collateral damage to in-law family, they still confused :)