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  Make Your Case for God's Existence

  by Megachusen in

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  quite a few of the ex-jw's on this site are either atheist or agnostic.

  i figured that it would be interesting if the theist side could make their case for god's existence and then non-theists could either debate the points or concede, depending on the arguments given.. so, if you believe in a god, please tell us your most convincing argument for why we should aswell..

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  "Maybe they just covering up the fact that they were taken in by a mind-controlling organisation.

  And don't want to admit it."

  So no JW becomes an Atheist for intellectual reasons?
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  Make Your Case for God's Existence

  by Megachusen in

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  quite a few of the ex-jw's on this site are either atheist or agnostic.

  i figured that it would be interesting if the theist side could make their case for god's existence and then non-theists could either debate the points or concede, depending on the arguments given.. so, if you believe in a god, please tell us your most convincing argument for why we should aswell..

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  "Based upon their matching values of atomic mass, hydrogen becomes the Hebrew letter Yod (Y), nitrogen becomes the letter Hey (H), oxygen becomes the letter Wav (V or W), and carbon becomes Gimel (G)."

  Wow, that's impressive. It's too bad it isn't true.

  Greg 's whole argument is based off of numerology. He takes four elements (Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, and Oxygen) and takes their atomic numbers (which he says are 1, 5, 6, and 3) and applies the Hebrew alphabet's letters to the numbers. This gives him:

  1: Yod(Y)
  3: Het(H)
  5: Vav(V/W)
  6: Gimel(G)

  The problem is 1, 5, 6, and 3 aren't the atomic masses of those four elements. The real atomic masses are as follows:

  Hydrogen: 1.00794
  Oxygen: 15.9994
  Nitrogen: 14.0067
  Carbon: 12.0107

  If my understanding of the placement of the Hebrew letters in the alphabet is correct this would mean that instead of YHWG, you would get:

  1: Aleph(A)
  15: Nun(N)
  14: Mem(M)
  12: Kaf(K)

  How does Greg get around this huge issue? With more bullshit numerology, of course! This is paraphrased from a critique I found on Greg's book:

  The holes in his theory are very easy to spot and as wide as the Grand Canyon. Braden links the elements hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen and carbon to the Hebrew Alphabet with "atomic mass". But the respective atomic masses of these elements, which he gives as 1, 5, 6 and 3, are actually 1, 14, 16 and 12. To make the evidence fit, he has resorted to a numerological trick: 14 becomes 1 + 4 = 5; 16 becomes… well 6 (it does have 6 valence electrons though!); and 12 becomes 1 + 2 = 3. Also, the 1st letter of the Hebrew Alphabet is actually alep. Yod, the Y in his YH VG translation, is Hebrew letter number 10. But Braden justifies calling 10 a 1 because 10 = 1 + 0 = 1.

  The problem with this sort of fiddling, to get the evidence to fit the theory, is that it invalidates the "statistician's probability" above. If unscientifically adding numbers together is okay, which he has done with nearly all his "evidence", then the following must be valid: nitrogen, with atomic mass 14, could equally pertain to Hebrew letter 14 (1 + 4 =5), or even letter 15 by just getting rid of the 1 as he did with oxygen; oxygen, with atomic mass 16, could also be Hebrew letter 15 (5+1=6) or Hebrew letter 16; and carbon with atomic mass 12, could also be Hebrew letter 12 or even 21 (2 + 1 =3). The link between these "alphabets" now seems more tenuous, and the 1 in 234,256 statistic starts to look a bit optimistic.

  I think that sums things up quite nicely.

  You asked me what more I would need? How about some real evidence.
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  How many of you do a job now that you would have feared or derided when you were a JW?

  by Kudra in

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  like- being a cop or a stripper :p. .

  i know a lot of us here are students- both feared and derided!.

  how many do professional sports?

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  I'm joining the Marine Corps, if that counts.
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  Make Your Case for God's Existence

  by Megachusen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quite a few of the ex-jw's on this site are either atheist or agnostic.

  i figured that it would be interesting if the theist side could make their case for god's existence and then non-theists could either debate the points or concede, depending on the arguments given.. so, if you believe in a god, please tell us your most convincing argument for why we should aswell..

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  Megachusen

  Quite a few of the ex-JW's on this site are either Atheist or Agnostic. I figured that it would be interesting if the theist side could make their case for God's existence and then non-theists could either debate the points or concede, depending on the arguments given.

  So, if you believe in a God, please tell us your most convincing argument for why we should aswell.
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  What religion do X-JWs belong to now?

  by jonathan dough in

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  i get the feeling many x-jws are floating about aimlessly and don't join christendom, still living with the jw indoctrinated belief that they are all the work of the devil.

  does that make sense?

  are they supposed to sit around in small groups in their living rooms reading scripture like ray franz recommended in crisis of conscience?

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  I haven't joined a new religion because they're all full of copious amounts of bullshit.
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  New Harry Potter movie

  by JimmyPage in

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  this movie is getting a 98 percent approval rating on rotten tomatoes so far.

  hell, even the vatican gave its blessing!

  (okay, so maybe they approved of hitler, too lol- at least that's what the wt always claimed).

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  HOLY SHIT. Hypocrisy has 1914 posts.

  Coincidence?
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  New Harry Potter movie

  by JimmyPage in

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  this movie is getting a 98 percent approval rating on rotten tomatoes so far.

  hell, even the vatican gave its blessing!

  (okay, so maybe they approved of hitler, too lol- at least that's what the wt always claimed).

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  Yeah, I'm probably going to see it sometime this week.

  I've been debating whether I should wear a wizards robe to the theatre or not.
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  "Bible Students"

  by Megachusen in

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  i recently came across this bible student forum about evolution: http://www.biblestudents.net/forum/index.php?board=58.0.

  for those who don't know, the bible students are the result off a schism sometime before 1930 that broke the religion into two parts.. after reading that forum i'm pretty sure that they're just jw's without the governing body.. .

  so what's your opinion of them?.

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  Megachusen

  I recently came across this Bible Student forum about evolution: http://www.biblestudents.net/forum/index.php?board=58.0

  For those who don't know, the Bible Students are the result off a schism sometime before 1930 that broke the religion into two parts.

  After reading that forum I'm pretty sure that they're just JW's without the governing body. So what's your opinion of them?
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  Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe

  by Megachusen in

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  i ussualy find this kind of stuff hilarious.

  this time was no different.. enter "does god exist - six reasons to believe" (link for all of those interested: http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html?gclid=ci_bgzvimzscframdqodxcnmoa) written by a self proclamed "ex-atheist" who has obviously been cured of the crippeling disability known as "rationality''-- no doubt by a little taste of god's delicious magic pixie dust.. since i have a certain threshold of tolerance for stupidity, i'm only going to comment on the subheadings for each point rather than the text underneath.. 1. does god exist?

  the complexity of our planet points to a deliberate designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.sure it does, buddy.

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  I ussualy find this kind of stuff hilarious. This time was no different.

  Enter "Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe" (Link for all of those interested: http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html?gclid=CI_BgZvImZsCFRAMDQodxCnMoA) written by a self proclamed "ex-atheist" who has obviously been cured of the crippeling disability known as "rationality''-- no doubt by a little taste of God's delicious magic pixie dust.

  Since I have a certain threshold of tolerance for stupidity, I'm only going to comment on the subheadings for each point rather than the text underneath.

  1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

  Sure it does, buddy. It's too bad that we don't have any scientific models to explain how the earth formed on its own. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_formation) OH SHIT. Well what about the fact that it's so perfect for life? Hint: The planet wasn't designed around us. We were designed around it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blind_Watchmaker)

  "a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today".

  Oh, yeah. You mean by the giant life support system that the earth is plugged into from outer space.

  

  2. Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it?

  Obviously it was a magical being controlling all matter, time, and energy. The easiest answer is always the right one, right? It's just too bad we still can't convince those damned scientists of that fact.

  For whatever reason, I'm pretty sure that the magical creature looks like this:

  3. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

  I'm going to guess that the standard scientific answer of "we're not sure yet" or "we're still working on the answer" isn't going to cut it for you, is it?

  Nope. You've obviously got the right answer which is, hilariously enough, the answer for all of your other questions: "God done it".

  

  4. Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.

  The writer might as well have said: "I DON'T KNOW HOW DNA COULD'VE FORMED ON ITS OWN. THEREFORE, GOD DONE IT."

  Fortunately for the humans who don't explain things with unproven assumptions, we actually do have proposed models for DNA evolution. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_DNA)

  5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.

  God is apparently a creepy stalker.

  I was wrong. He probably looks like this:

  

  6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

  

  Proof
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  Great new song about God

  by JimmyPage in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rov3pv9psri.

  (yes she's an indie rocker but this album was produced by jeff lynne of elo, for all you classic rockers.

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