Posts by ApagaLaLuz

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My fear of people is getting worse!

by gilwarrior in

today i had the day off from my job.

my plan today was to put gas in my car, wash my car, and go to the nearest ford dealership to get my oil changed.

seemed simple enough, but it was strange.

ApagaLaLuz

I was totally with you Gil man, untill the comment about going to the Ford Dealership.

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Dateline was a bunch of crap and lies

by ApagaLaLuz in

while looking for a funny pic of jesus christ to add to another thread i stumbled across this........ .

i have nothing to add to it.

let the bastards hang themselves.

ApagaLaLuz

While looking for a funny pic of Jesus Christ to add to another thread I stumbled across this........

I have nothing to add to it. Let the bastards hang themselves.

Jehohava's Witnesses protecting thousands of abusers within their ranks
Posted by AquaVelvet on Jul 16, 2002 at 09:24 AM
A BBC investigation reveals that sex abuse scandals in the Catholic Church pale in comparison to what has been going on for years behind closed doors of the Jehovah's Witnesses. A former elder in the church admitted that the Watchtower Society has been protecting a secret database that lists almost 24,000 abusers within church ranks. [link] The famously cloistered religious sect, notorious in the US for bothersome door-to-door proselytizing, admits that disgraces like sex abuse allegations are rarely made public, even to police, and are traditionally regarded as the exclusive province of church elders. The procedure unfolds roughly like this: when a victim reports his or her abuse to the church, an elder confronts the alleged abuser with the charge. According to their doctrine, if the accused denies the charge, the matter is dropped and the church "walks away" from it. The matter is left "for Jehova [to sort out]". The BBC report highlights the case of a teenage girl who went to elders after years of abuse by her father, only to have the inquiry abandoned when the father denied the accusations. The girl was sent back home where the abuse continued. Unbeknown to her at the time her older sister had gone to the church years before with details of her own abuse, only to have the investigation quit. Conservative Christian groups in this country call such scandals "aberrations" and have been heavily lobbying the President and Congress to strengthen privacy laws that limit how intrusive outside oversight of their organisation should be. But if there is one benefit to cases like this, or the scandals ripping through the Catholic Church, they provide a clear measure of where the line must be drawn. When the law is this obviously broken, or when the rights of others so horrendously violated, the matter should be ajudicated in a court of law, not in the musty offices of some wrinkled old church fogey.

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by Anonymous Coward on Jul 16, 2002 at 02:01 PM
	You make it sound like there is a rash of pedophilia in the Jehovah's Witness organization. As many of my family members are of this faith, I can attest to the fact that these are god-fearing and moral people, and the ones who are accused of child molestation - or anything for that matter - are banned from (officially called being disfellowshipped) attending meetings and association with the others. The matter is left for Jehovah to sort out, but not in the way you seem to think. According to their faith, the guilty person will have to answer to God when it is judgement time, and therefore the matter is out of their hands. I do believe there are many case that go unreported to the authorities, and I can't exactly say why. It is up to the victim to take it to the police. A few years ago it happened to a friend of mine. Her dad was an elder in the congregation, with a lot of moral responsibility. When it came out that he had been abusing her, he was immediately disfellowshiped, even though he denied it all. They decided they didn't have enough evidence to take it to court, and her parents got divorced, he lives somewhere far away and that's the end of it. I wish I could explain these people and their faith in an understandable way, but everyone who has never been associated with them tend to make rash and sometimes unfair judgements against them.
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by Anonymous Coward on Jul 16, 2002 at 02:03 PM
	Oh, and for the love of jeebus spell the name right. J-E-H-O-V-A-H. That IS one of God's names you know, not just some made up moniker. -CD
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by RickySilk on Jul 16, 2002 at 02:07 PM
	I know nothing about the religion or it's belief's except that they seem to go door to door alot more than other religions. Anyone remember that scene on Friday? "Well , fuuuuuuuuuck you" __________ "To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift" - Steve Prefontaine
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by blaid on Jul 16, 2002 at 05:49 PM
	With all due respect to AquaVelvet, this is dribble my friend. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I can personally tell you, the mind numbing crap you saw on Dateline...that man was not only NOT a JW, but he was acting illegally when he taped a phone call to the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society in New York. This man was known as an apostate. (a-pos-state) Apostates are JW's that have been disfellowshiped for one reason or another, and have used their knowledge of our religion, to twist peoples perspective on us. Its not fair, but we have to deal with it....
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by AquaVelvet on Jul 16, 2002 at 07:19 PM
	I didn't see the Dateline thing, Blaid. I was actually basing my story on a BBC investigation. And while I'll acknowledge the problem is probably not as widespread as people might irrationally believe, I'll wager that the large number of protected abusers indicated in the report includes ALL cases that they have information on since records were kept and is not necessarily a wildly speculative figure afterall. The problem of abuse and those who would hide is not confined to Catholics and Jehova's Witnesses alone - it is indemic to any organization that becomes overly adverse to outside scrutiny. That's what ALL scandals have in common. They become scandals because too many people keep quiet for too long a time. P.S. Crazy D, it was a typo. I'll try not to let it happen again. Remember, I grew up in a faith that taught the true name of God was Yahweh. Yahweh?? It sounds like something you'd hear from the mouths of two old fisherman in Maine confused by a fork in the road. "Well see there, John, ya could go my way or yaw way, and you'd still be guaranteed to wind up somewheh." _________________________ _________ Don't criticize someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. Because then you will be a mile away, and you will have their shoes.
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by blaid on Jul 16, 2002 at 09:15 PM
	pronunuced Yaw-way, but spelled i believe incorectly. If you look it up though, you will notice that the english translation of the HEWBREW word yawweh (spelling) is in fact...Jehovah. a name that means, "He who comes to be"
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Edited by - CHEVYSNTATS on 18 December 2002 19:41:18

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Watchtower says "BEAT your CHILDREN!"

by UnDisfellowshipped in

the watchtower february 1st 1956 issue, page 95:.

the watchtower february 1st 1960 issue, page 80:.

the watchtower august 1st 1962 issue, page 460:.

"Spare the rod, spoil the child" was my mother's favorite saying. I guess the meaning of rod nowadays has been broadened to include :hairbrushes, and coffe pots, and hangers, and turners of venician blinds. Perhaps using the rod also includes pushing your children from moving cars..... Well whatever the case, I know the rod wasn't spared on me, and I certainly didn't end up spoiled.

Hey I think the JWs are right after all. Of course they have always been right, even from the very begining back in the late 19th century. Because they are inspired by God, so everything they have written from the begining is correct and is still taught exactly the same way as original outlined....... oops wait...

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small world, reunited by this forum!!!! yipee!!

by ApagaLaLuz in

alright, my heart is pumping.

i'll try to keep this short.. before i left i had made quite a few friends over in england, from going to assemblies.

over a couple of years they visited me in california, i visited them in england.

ApagaLaLuz

Thank you soooooo much ignored. Thanks for your hugs too from the small world. I love me some hugs. You rock!

*muah*

Chevy of the 'respects anonymity' class

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Goodmorning! How is everyone???

by Crazy151drinker in

jw
friends

goodmorning everyone .

how are you today??

i hope everyone is doing good.

ApagaLaLuz

Hey 151. I'll be up in Fresno next month for business. Might need to crash in the crotch :) j/k

Edited to add: Congratulations you 2!!!! When can I send a house warming gift?

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Goodmorning! How is everyone???

by Crazy151drinker in

jw
friends

goodmorning everyone .

how are you today??

i hope everyone is doing good.

ApagaLaLuz

WoW!!! crazy luv..... what were YOU doing to put you in such a good mood?

Chevy of the 'I want whatever 151 got to make him so perky' class

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Gasoline Price in your area

by JH in

jw
friends

yesterday alone the price of gasoline went up 9 cents a liter here in eastern canada passing from 68 to 77 cents a liter.

a one day jump of 9 cents a liter is equal to about 40 cents a gallon.

so now we pay 77 cents a liter or 3.50$ a canadian gallon.

ApagaLaLuz

$1.63 a gallon Monday at Arco in So.Cal.

$2.11 a gallon 2 weeks ago in Big Bear Mountain

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small world, reunited by this forum!!!! yipee!!

by ApagaLaLuz in

alright, my heart is pumping.

i'll try to keep this short.. before i left i had made quite a few friends over in england, from going to assemblies.

over a couple of years they visited me in california, i visited them in england.

ApagaLaLuz

Thank you everyone for your kind words and stories. I will keep you up to date as to how things progress. I already had a vacation planned in August to Spain. But I think now I'll go over for the wedding earlier. Then they can meet up with me later in Spain. Hopefully things will work out that way, then I can have 2 visits.

Thanks POPE by the way for the advise, but I'm nearly positive there's nothing to worry about *evil grin*

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small world, reunited by this forum!!!! yipee!!

by ApagaLaLuz in

alright, my heart is pumping.

i'll try to keep this short.. before i left i had made quite a few friends over in england, from going to assemblies.

over a couple of years they visited me in california, i visited them in england.

ApagaLaLuz

Awwwww....... I'm not one to get all emotional, but that did it Matt. I'm honored that you would let be your sister. I've just been in a warm fuzzy place these past couple of days. You should deffinently be proud of who are luv. As far as your sister goes. Too bad for her, some people are content with never growing. *muah*

And now, you're ruining my rep, so in an effort to save some face I say go to fuckin bed, you bastard

(mattnoel)

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small world, reunited by this forum!!!! yipee!!

by ApagaLaLuz in

alright, my heart is pumping.

i'll try to keep this short.. before i left i had made quite a few friends over in england, from going to assemblies.

over a couple of years they visited me in california, i visited them in england.

ApagaLaLuz

Wow TRES.... that's a great story. Yes, the internet is a great source of communication. I'm still overwhelmed right now, we've been exchanging emails all day long.