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Werniicke's Aphasia
by chapstick inafter my light hearted post on "the problem with jw's and other christians (trinity)" there were a few who seemed to think i was suffering with wernicke's aphasia.
i assure you that i have no speech impediment.
the intent of the post was really to show that this type of disease exists mentally in some form among everyone.
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After my light hearted post on "The problem with JW's and other Christians (Trinity)" there were a few who seemed to think I was suffering with Wernicke's Aphasia. I assure you that I have no speech impediment. The intent of the post was really to show that this type of disease exists mentally in some form among everyone. I have a small hobby with Lexiconology and if you follow it closely you will see that this is indeed the case. Nearly all English words including single syllables have multiple meanings. When any ancient text is translated, the meanings of even single syllable words can be masked; either intentionally or inadvertantly. The word idol is an example. The letter I in the English language almost always refers to one's self when used at the beginning of a word. There are exceptions of coarse. In any college dictionary if you look at the word idol it will be illustrated I-dol. Dol is something passed among people, something attractive or something wanted. Eye-Doll is as good of an interpritation as any other. Another word is Chap-el. Chap- or Chip- almost always means a small part, bit or little piece of something. -el is one of the most used Semetic terms for God. Therefore Chap-el literally means little god or small god. Take the word ignorant. Most people assume that the word means uneducated. Break the word down and it is obvious as to the meaning. Igno-r-ant. Igno- means to look over something or not pay attention to something IE: Ignore the obvious, smallest thing. -ant is of course a small insect. -rant is to rave, complain or abuse speech. This is indeed the case with an ignorant person. It ususally has nothing to do with education, they just don't pay attention to the obvious or Ignore the obvious and usually do rant and rave about it. The word human implys a Hued Man or man of color (all of us). Woman implys a man with a womb. The word Israel seems to imply Is-Ra-El. Is- is short for the Egyption god Isis. -Ra is the name of the Egyption sun god Ra. -El is a semetic word for God. Isis-Ra-God oris Ra God? Coincidence? Possibly, but it is interesting. I've reviewed the word Holy Bible. It can easily say or imply a bunch of little books that are full of holes. I realize that most people don't take it that way, but the meaning is still there. Coincidence? Possibly. The English lanquage is full of these implications and when translators translate they inevitabley imply their own understandingof a situation, word or phrase. Notice most any word that ends in -ness .-ness can mean complete or full. Look at the word Witness. Wit- means your wit, intellect or your sense of something. -ness means complete. To be a witness you are an observer to something in such a manner as to relay complete information tosomeone else. God's Witnesses or Jehovah's Witnesses seems somewhat misused in it's use as a name. To be a Witness to God or Jehovah one must observe, get a complete sense of something and relay said information to God. It seems that using the term witness to someone other than God is a somewhat misplaced use of the word.
On a different subject I have noticed something in Genesis that I wonder if anyone else has. It seems to me that Able was the first one to break the first of the ten commandments and Cain was not the first killer. Able killed an animal and sacrificed it to God. Cain sacrificed plant life. This seems to me backwards from the way that God would approve of. Why would God be pleased with a blood sacrifice? Perhaps Cain was taking vengence on his brother for killing an animal. What do you think? There are many many implications to this including all of the blood sacrifices that the Hebrews made to God. It almost seems that the Bible was intentionally written to be misleading.
BTW I still think that the Trinity is the primary division among Christian sects. A part of trinitarian division is Arian and non-Arian beliefs about Jesus. JW's adhere to the Arian belief.
later,
chapstick (chappy) god 7♥
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Zeitgeist, just nonsense? Please explain.
by cyberjesus ini recently watched the movie along with the second part thanks to several people mentioning it on this forum.
i have seen both people against and pro.
what are your thoughts?
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I forgot to put this link in the last post. If you're interested in Zeitgeist watch this. You'll have to copy and paste or type in the address. This is one of the good guys. Don't draw all your conclusions one one small Youtube viewing either!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5TbZE_KH9Q
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Zeitgeist, just nonsense? Please explain.
by cyberjesus ini recently watched the movie along with the second part thanks to several people mentioning it on this forum.
i have seen both people against and pro.
what are your thoughts?
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chapstick
Notverylikely is most likely correct. There is more information in existence than anyone person can absorb. I have found that I must take one subject at a time, investigate it, talk to people that I trust, pray (think) about it and make a decision. I try to never do anything rash with any conclusions because they will inevitably change or be modified. There actually is a general world/universal Big Picture. No one can see the whole thing. There is no one man or small group of men running the world. There are very powerfull men who can and do make drastic changes in the world. Some are good, some are bad.
I have been known to play a few silly games on this board as anyone can see. I began following the ex-JW movement in the middle 90's when the Hourglass site started.. I've never tried to mislead anyone and never will. I've just been involved in a lot of things including JW's and I enjoy sharing what I know with others. I despise ignorance. Ignorance is not a product of not having a formal education. You can have a 3'rd grade education and still not be ignorant. On the other hand there are many Phd's who are ignorant as hell. Some of my conclusions about Zeitgeist and other "conspiracies" are:
A bunch of religious nuts comandeered several airplanes and intentionally crashed them into American landmarks. There was no "conspiracy" within our government. The trade centers fell the way they did strictly because of physics; nothing more, nothing less. I have worked with explosives, construction, maintenance, physics, metal and steel all my life, so I'm no dummy. I still don't know everything and never will. There are tons of historical facts about Jesus Christ as well as other "godmen". There were several who fit the same pattern as Jesus. It's just a fact. One thing about Jesus is that He was a pivot point in history that none of the others can claim. I know that Jesus existed around two thousand years ago and was tortured and nailed to a piece of wood until He died. The Roman government along with quite a few Jews were resposnsible. He said and did things they didn't like. I think He was a great guy. I think He was right. I think history and religion have done a grave injustice to Jesus. Jesus was the Son (or Sun) if you prefer of GOD. I also think that anyone else reading this is also a Son or Daughter of GOD. Virgin birth? Come on, use your brain.
GOD is everything other than myself, but I am included. I'm here, you're here. If there's no GOD or DOG or POWER or any other term anyone prefers then where the hell did you come from? Evolution? Why not? No problem for me. GOD did it however He did it. I have no problem with it. If evolution is a problem for someone then it's their problem, not the ones who know better. People spend there entire lives arguing over things like evolution. Discussing it is great. Arguing is a big waste of time. There's a hell of a lot more to this universe than some silly argument about how God did it. The Bible is full of information. Read it in the right context or some smart ass will con you with it and make everything a conspiracy and take your time and money at the same time.
I've spouted off enough for now.
Peace,
chappy (chapstick)7♥ (now you've got my number)
Anderson, South Carolina
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Zeitgeist, just nonsense? Please explain.
by cyberjesus ini recently watched the movie along with the second part thanks to several people mentioning it on this forum.
i have seen both people against and pro.
what are your thoughts?
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Weeping,
Why do you worry about a piss ant like satan? The only power this satan charactor has is what you let it have! Satan's the one who doesn't want you to look at things. The only way to find the truth about anything is look, read and consider. "Satanic" organizations only have one thing - the name satan. They depend on you being afraid of this satan guy/
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Zeitgeist, just nonsense? Please explain.
by cyberjesus ini recently watched the movie along with the second part thanks to several people mentioning it on this forum.
i have seen both people against and pro.
what are your thoughts?
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chapstick
Most everyone's right when it comes to cherrypicking information for their own needs. The 9/11 false flag hogwash is just one example. The global warming "conspiracy" is an example of taking factual information (the globe is warming) and relating it's cause to an excess of co2. That's nothing but a way to make money from a natural process. What "they" don't tell you is that increases in co2 are a result of a warming globe; not the other way around. If we're not careful these guys are going to rob us ALL blind with cap and trade. Zeitgeist falls into the same catagory. All kinds of "conspiracies" and other BS are associated with it. The idiots who think there is one or several men "running the world" really take the cake. A lot of information in the documentary Zeitgeist is legit. Much of the information (like the multiple "historical" Christ like figures who died like and led lives very similar to the Christ story are pretty much true. A lot of the material for Zeitgeist came from research by Jordan Maxwell. He doesn't take any credit for it because much of his information was distorted. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, historical facts are indeed stranger than fiction. One thing I do find interesting of late is the 2012 uproar. Something major IS gonna happen either because some of the old prophets and Shaymen knew something or just the expectation of an event happening will cause a lot of people to act stupit and do stupid things. So I feel comfortable prophesying a major even in the latter part of 2012.
If you really want to read something fascinating check out the sort story by Isaac Asimov that I posted an hour or so ago. It's 1950's Science Fiction but fits right in with this board.
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The Last Question for GOD (Multivac)
by chapstick inall the energy we could ever use, forever and forever and forever.".
billions and billions of years.
what i say is that a sun won't last forever.
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If you understand who, what or how the Last Question can be reconciled you might, just might begin to understand GOD and the trinity. Chapstick ™ "Gods taking a well deserved nap."
Either: God IS or Multivac IS or YOU DON'T EXIST!
The Last Question by Isaac Asimov © 1956
The last question was asked for the first time, half in jest, on May 21, 2061, at a time when humanity first stepped into the light. The question came about as a result of a five dollar bet over highballs, and it happened this way:
Alexander Adell and Bertram Lupov were two of the faithful attendants of Multivac. As well as any human beings could, they knew what lay behind the cold, clicking, flashing face -- miles and miles of face -- of that giant computer. They had at least a vague notion of the general plan of relays and circuits that had long since grown past the point where any single human could possibly have a firm grasp of the whole.
Multivac was self-adjusting and self-correcting. It had to be, for nothing human could adjust and correct it quickly enough or even adequately enough -- so Adell and Lupov attended the monstrous giant only lightly and superficially, yet as well as any men could. They fed it data, adjusted questions to its needs and translated the answers that were issued. Certainly they, and all others like them, were fully entitled to share In the glory that was Multivac's.
For decades, Multivac had helped design the ships and plot the trajectories that enabled man to reach the Moon, Mars, and Venus, but past that, Earth's poor resources could not support the ships. Too much energy was needed for the long trips. Earth exploited its coal and uranium with increasing efficiency, but there was only so much of both.
But slowly Multivac learned enough to answer deeper questions more fundamentally, and on May 14, 2061, what had been theory, became fact.
The energy of the sun was stored, converted, and utilized directly on a planet-wide scale. All Earth turned off its burning coal, its fissioning uranium, and flipped the switch that connected all of it to a small station, one mile in diameter, circling the Earth at half the distance of the Moon. All Earth ran by invisible beams of sunpower.
Seven days had not sufficed to dim the glory of it and Adell and Lupov finally managed to escape from the public function, and to meet in quiet where no one would think of looking for them, in the deserted underground chambers, where portions of the mighty buried body of Multivac showed. Unattended, idling, sorting data with contented lazy clickings, Multivac, too, had earned its vacation and the boys appreciated that. They had no intention, originally, of disturbing it.
They had brought a bottle with them, and their only concern at the moment was to relax in the company of each other and the bottle.
"It's amazing when you think of it," said Adell. His broad face had lines of weariness in it, and he stirred his drink slowly with a glass rod, watching the cubes of ice slur clumsily about. "All the energy we can possibly ever use for free. Enough energy, if we wanted to draw on it, to melt all Earth into a big drop of impure liquid iron, and still never miss the energy so used. All the energy we could ever use, forever and forever and forever."
Lupov cocked his head sideways. He had a trick of doing that when he wanted to be contrary, and he wanted to be contrary now, partly because he had had to carry the ice and glassware. "Not forever," he said.
"Oh, hell, just about forever. Till the sun runs down, Bert."
"That's not forever."
"All right, then. Billions and billions of years. Twenty billion, maybe. Are you satisfied?"
Lupov put his fingers through his thinning hair as though to reassure himself that some was still left and sipped gently at his own drink. "Twenty billion years isn't forever."
"Will, it will last our time, won't it?"
"So would the coal and uranium."
"All right, but now we can hook up each individual spaceship to the Solar Station, and it can go to Pluto and back a million times without ever worrying about fuel. You can't do THAT on coal and uranium. Ask Multivac, if you don't believe me."
"I don't have to ask Multivac. I know that."
"Then stop running down what Multivac's done for us," said Adell, blazing up. "It did all right."
"Who says it didn't? What I say is that a sun won't last forever. That's all I'm saying. We're safe for twenty billion years, but then what?" Lupov pointed a slightly shaky finger at the other. "And don't say we'll switch to another sun."
There was silence for a while. Adell put his glass to his lips only occasionally, and Lupov's eyes slowly closed. They rested.
Then Lupov's eyes snapped open. "You're thinking we'll switch to another sun when ours is done, aren't you?"
"I'm not thinking."
"Sure you are. You're weak on logic, that's the trouble with you. You're like the guy in the story who was caught in a sudden shower and Who ran to a grove of trees and got under one. He wasn't worried, you see, because he figured when one tree got wet through, he would just get under another one."
"I get it," said Adell. "Don't shout. When the sun is done, the other stars will be gone, too."
"Darn right they will," muttered Lupov. "It all had a beginning in the original cosmic explosion, whatever that was, and it'll all have an end when all the stars run down. Some run down faster than others. Hell, the giants won't last a hundred million years. The sun will last twenty billion years and maybe the dwarfs will last a hundred billion for all the good they are. But just give us a trillion years and everything will be dark. Entropy has to increase to maximum, that's all."
"I know all about entropy," said Adell, standing on his dignity.
"The hell you do."
"I know as much as you do."
"Then you know everything's got to run down someday."
"All right. Who says they won't?"
"You did, you poor sap. You said we had all the energy we needed, forever. You said 'forever.'"
"It was Adell's turn to be contrary. "Maybe we can build things up again someday," he said.
"Never."
"Why not? Someday."
"Never."
"Ask Multivac."
"You ask Multivac. I dare you. Five dollars says it can't be done."
Adell was just drunk enough to try, just sober enough to be able to phrase the necessary symbols and operations into a question which, in words, might have corresponded to this: Will mankind one day without the net expenditure of energy be able to restore the sun to its full youthfulness even after it had died of old age?
Or maybe it could be put more simply like this: How can the net amount of entropy of the universe be massively decreased?
Multivac fell dead and silent. The slow flashing of lights ceased, the distant sounds of clicking relays ended.
Then, just as the frightened technicians felt they could hold their breath no longer, there was a sudden springing to life of the teletype attached to that portion of Multivac. Five words were printed: INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER.
"No bet," whispered Lupov. They left hurriedly.
By next morning, the two, plagued with throbbing head and cottony mouth, had forgotten about the incident.
Jerrodd, Jerrodine, and Jerrodette I and II watched the starry picture in the visiplate change as the passage through hyperspace was completed in its non-time lapse. At once, the even powdering of stars gave way to the predominance of a single bright marble-disk, centered.
"That's X-23," said Jerrodd confidently. His thin hands clamped tightly behind his back and the knuckles whitened.
The little Jerrodettes, both girls, had experienced the hyperspace passage for the first time in their lives and were self-conscious over the momentary sensation of inside-outness. They buried their giggles and chased one another wildly about their mother, screaming, "We've reached X-23 -- we've reached X-23 -- we've ----"
"Quiet, children," said Jerrodine sharply. "Are you sure, Jerrodd?"
"What is there to be but sure?" asked Jerrodd, glancing up at the bulge of featureless metal just under the ceiling. It ran the length of the room, disappearing through the wall at either end. It was as long as the ship.
Jerrodd scarcely knew a thing about the thick rod of metal except that it was called a Microvac, that one asked it questions if one wished; that if one did not it still had its task of guiding the ship to a preordered destination; of feeding on energies from the various Sub-galactic Power Stations; of computing the equations for the hyperspacial jumps.
Jerrodd and his family had only to wait and live in the comfortable residence quarters of the ship.
Someone had once told Jerrodd that the "ac" at the end of "Microvac" stood for "analog computer" in ancient English, but he was on the edge of forgetting even that.
Jerrodine's eyes were moist as she watched the visiplate. "I can't help it. I feel funny about leaving Earth."
"Why for Pete's sake?" demanded Jerrodd. "We had nothing there. We'll have everything on X-23. You won't be alone. You won't be a pioneer. There are over a million people on the planet already. Good Lord, our great grandchildren will be looking for new worlds because X-23 will be overcrowded."
Then, after a reflective pause, "I tell you, it's a lucky thing the computers worked out interstellar travel the way the race is growing."
"I know, I know," said Jerrodine miserably.
Jerrodette I said promptly, "Our Microvac is the best Microvac in the world."
"I think so, too," said Jerrodd, tousling her hair.
It was a nice feeling to have a Microvac of your own and Jerrodd was glad he was part of his generation and no other. In his father's youth, the only computers had been tremendous machines taking up a hundred square miles of land. There was only one to a planet. Planetary ACs they were called. They had been growing in size steadily for a thousand years and then, all at once, came refinement. In place of transistors had come molecular valves so that even the largest Planetary AC could be put into a space only half the volume of a spaceship.
Jerrodd felt uplifted, as he always did when he thought that his own personal Microvac was many times more complicated than the ancient and primitive Multivac that had first tamed the Sun, and almost as complicated as Earth's Planetary AC (the largest) that had first solved the problem of hyperspatial travel and had made trips to the stars possible.
"So many stars, so many planets," sighed Jerrodine, busy with her own thoughts. "I suppose families will be going out to new planets forever, the way we are now."
"Not forever," said Jerrodd, with a smile. "It will all stop someday, but not for billions of years. Many billions. Even the stars run down, you know. Entropy must increase."
"What's entropy, daddy?" shrilled Jerrodette II.
"Entropy, little sweet, is just a word which means the amount of running-down of the universe. Everything runs down, you know, like your little walkie-talkie robot, remember?"
"Can't you just put in a new power-unit, like with my robot?"
The stars are the power-units, dear. Once they're gone, there are no more power-units."
Jerrodette I at once set up a howl. "Don't let them, daddy. Don't let the stars run down."
"Now look what you've done, " whispered Jerrodine, exasperated.
"How was I to know it would frighten them?" Jerrodd whispered back.
"Ask the Microvac," wailed Jerrodette I. "Ask him how to turn the stars on again."
"Go ahead," said Jerrodine. "It will quiet them down." (Jerrodette II was beginning to cry, also.)
Jarrodd shrugged. "Now, now, honeys. I'll ask Microvac. Don't worry, he'll tell us."
He asked the Microvac, adding quickly, "Print the answer."
Jerrodd cupped the strip of thin cellufilm and said cheerfully, "See now, the Microvac says it will take care of everything when the time comes so don't worry."
Jerrodine said, "and now children, it's time for bed. We'll be in our new home soon."
Jerrodd read the words on the cellufilm again before destroying it: INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.
He shrugged and looked at the visiplate. X-23 was just ahead.
VJ-23X of Lameth stared into the black depths of the three-dimensional, small-scale map of the Galaxy and said, "Are we ridiculous, I wonder, in being so concerned about the matter?"
MQ-17J of Nicron shook his head. "I think not. You know the Galaxy will be filled in five years at the present rate of expansion."
Both seemed in their early twenties, both were tall and perfectly formed.
"Still," said VJ-23X, "I hesitate to submit a pessimistic report to the Galactic Council."
"I wouldn't consider any other kind of report. Stir them up a bit. We've got to stir them up."
VJ-23X sighed. "Space is infinite. A hundred billion Galaxies are there for the taking. More."
"A hundred billion is not infinite and it's getting less infinite all the time. Consider! Twenty thousand years ago, mankind first solved the problem of utilizing stellar energy, and a few centuries later, interstellar travel became possible. It took mankind a million years to fill one small world and then only fifteen thousand years to fill the rest of the Galaxy. Now the population doubles every ten years --"
VJ-23X interrupted. "We can thank immortality for that."
"Very well. Immortality exists and we have to take it into account. I admit it has its seamy side, this immortality. The Galactic AC has solved many problems for us, but in solving the problems of preventing old age and death, it has undone all its other solutions."
"Yet you wouldn't want to abandon life, I suppose."
"Not at all," snapped MQ-17J, softening it at once to, "Not yet. I'm by no means old enough. How old are you?"
"Two hundred twenty-three. And you?"
"I'm still under two hundred. --But to get back to my point. Population doubles every ten years. Once this Galaxy is filled, we'll have another filled in ten years. Another ten years and we'll have filled two more. Another decade, four more. In a hundred years, we'll have filled a thousand Galaxies. In a thousand years, a million Galaxies. In ten thousand years, the entire known Universe. Then what?"
VJ-23X said, "As a side issue, there's a problem of transportation. I wonder how many sunpower units it will take to move Galaxies of individuals from one Galaxy to the next."
"A very good point. Already, mankind consumes two sunpower units per year."
"Most of it's wasted. After all, our own Galaxy alone pours out a thousand sunpower units a year and we only use two of those."
"Granted, but even with a hundred per cent efficiency, we can only stave off the end. Our energy requirements are going up in geometric progression even faster than our population. We'll run out of energy even sooner than we run out of Galaxies. A good point. A very good point."
"We'll just have to build new stars out of interstellar gas."
"Or out of dissipated heat?" asked MQ-17J, sarcastically.
"There may be some way to reverse entropy. We ought to ask the Galactic AC."
VJ-23X was not really serious, but MQ-17J pulled out his AC-contact from his pocket and placed it on the table before him.
"I've half a mind to," he said. "It's something the human race will have to face someday."
He stared somberly at his small AC-contact. It was only two inches cubed and nothing in itself, but it was connected through hyperspace with the great Galactic AC that served all mankind. Hyperspace considered, it was an integral part of the Galactic AC.
MQ-17J paused to wonder if someday in his immortal life he would get to see the Galactic AC. It was on a little world of its own, a spider webbing of force-beams holding the matter within which surges of sub-mesons took the place of the old clumsy molecular valves. Yet despite it's sub-etheric workings, the Galactic AC was known to be a full thousand feet across.
MQ-17J asked suddenly of his AC-contact, "Can entropy ever be reversed?"
VJ-23X looked startled and said at once, "Oh, say, I didn't really mean to have you ask that."
"Why not?"
"We both know entropy can't be reversed. You can't turn smoke and ash back into a tree."
"Do you have trees on your world?" asked MQ-17J.
The sound of the Galactic AC startled them into silence. Its voice came thin and beautiful out of the small AC-contact on the desk. It said: THERE IS INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.
VJ-23X said, "See!"
The two men thereupon returned to the question of the report they were to make to the Galactic Council.
Zee Prime's mind spanned the new Galaxy with a faint interest in the countless twists of stars that powdered it. He had never seen this one before. Would he ever see them all? So many of them, each with its load of humanity - but a load that was almost a dead weight. More and more, the real essence of men was to be found out here, in space.
Minds, not bodies! The immortal bodies remained back on the planets, in suspension over the eons. Sometimes they roused for material activity but that was growing rarer. Few new individuals were coming into existence to join the incredibly mighty throng, but what matter? There was little room in the Universe for new individuals.
Zee Prime was roused out of his reverie upon coming across the wispy tendrils of another mind.
"I am Zee Prime," said Zee Prime. "And you?"
"I am Dee Sub Wun. Your Galaxy?"
"We call it only the Galaxy. And you?"
"We call ours the same. All men call their Galaxy their Galaxy and nothing more. Why not?"
"True. Since all Galaxies are the same."
"Not all Galaxies. On one particular Galaxy the race of man must have originated. That makes it different."
Zee Prime said, "On which one?"
"I cannot say. The Universal AC would know."
"Shall we ask him? I am suddenly curious."
Zee Prime's perceptions broadened until the Galaxies themselves shrunk and became a new, more diffuse powdering on a much larger background. So many hundreds of billions of them, all with their immortal beings, all carrying their load of intelligences with minds that drifted freely through space. And yet one of them was unique among them all in being the originals Galaxy. One of them had, in its vague and distant past, a period when it was the only Galaxy populated by man.
Zee Prime was consumed with curiosity to see this Galaxy and called, out: "Universal AC! On which Galaxy did mankind originate?"
The Universal AC heard, for on every world and throughout space, it had its receptors ready, and each receptor lead through hyperspace to some unknown point where the Universal AC kept itself aloof.
Zee Prime knew of only one man whose thoughts had penetrated within sensing distance of Universal AC, and he reported only a shining globe, two feet across, difficult to see.
"But how can that be all of Universal AC?" Zee Prime had asked.
"Most of it, " had been the answer, "is in hyperspace. In what form it is there I cannot imagine."
Nor could anyone, for the day had long since passed, Zee Prime knew, when any man had any part of the making of a universal AC. Each Universal AC designed and constructed its successor. Each, during its existence of a million years or more accumulated the necessary data to build a better and more intricate, more capable successor in which its own store of data and individuality would be submerged.
The Universal AC interrupted Zee Prime's wandering thoughts, not with words, but with guidance. Zee Prime's mentality was guided into the dim sea of Galaxies and one in particular enlarged into stars.
A thought came, infinitely distant, but infinitely clear. "THIS IS THE ORIGINAL GALAXY OF MAN."
But it was the same after all, the same as any other, and Zee Prime stifled his disappointment.
Dee Sub Wun, whose mind had accompanied the other, said suddenly, "And Is one of these stars the original star of Man?"
The Universal AC said, "MAN'S ORIGINAL STAR HAS GONE NOVA. IT IS NOW A WHITE DWARF."
"Did the men upon it die?" asked Zee Prime, startled and without thinking.
The Universal AC said, "A NEW WORLD, AS IN SUCH CASES, WAS CONSTRUCTED FOR THEIR PHYSICAL BODIES IN TIME."
"Yes, of course," said Zee Prime, but a sense of loss overwhelmed him even so. His mind released its hold on the original Galaxy of Man, let it spring back and lose itself among the blurred pin points. He never wanted to see it again.
Dee Sub Wun said, "What is wrong?"
"The stars are dying. The original star is dead."
"They must all die. Why not?"
"But when all energy is gone, our bodies will finally die, and you and I with them."
"It will take billions of years."
"I do not wish it to happen even after billions of years. Universal AC! How may stars be kept from dying?"
Dee sub Wun said in amusement, "You're asking how entropy might be reversed in direction."
And the Universal AC answered. "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."
Zee Prime's thoughts fled back to his own Galaxy. He gave no further thought to Dee Sub Wun, whose body might be waiting on a galaxy a trillion light-years away, or on the star next to Zee Prime's own. It didn't matter.
Unhappily, Zee Prime began collecting interstellar hydrogen out of which to build a small star of his own. If the stars must someday die, at least some could yet be built.
Man considered with himself, for in a way, Man, mentally, was one. He consisted of a trillion, trillion, trillion ageless bodies, each in its place, each resting quiet and incorruptible, each cared for by perfect automatons, equally incorruptible, while the minds of all the bodies freely melted one into the other, indistinguishable.
Man said, "The Universe is dying."
Man looked about at the dimming Galaxies. The giant stars, spendthrifts, were gone long ago, back in the dimmest of the dim far past. Almost all stars were white dwarfs, fading to the end.
New stars had been built of the dust between the stars, some by natural processes, some by Man himself, and those were going, too. White dwarfs might yet be crashed together and of the mighty forces so released, new stars built, but only one star for every thousand white dwarfs destroyed, and those would come to an end, too.
Man said, "Carefully husbanded, as directed by the Cosmic AC, the energy that is even yet left in all the Universe will last for billions of years."
"But even so," said Man, "eventually it will all come to an end. However it may be husbanded, however stretched out, the energy once expended is gone and cannot be restored. Entropy must increase to the maximum."
Man said, "Can entropy not be reversed? Let us ask the Cosmic AC."
The Cosmic AC surrounded them but not in space. Not a fragment of it was in space. It was in hyperspace and made of something that was neither matter nor energy. The question of its size and Nature no longer had meaning to any terms that Man could comprehend.
"Cosmic AC," said Man, "How may entropy be reversed?"
The Cosmic AC said, "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."
Man said, "Collect additional data."
The Cosmic AC said, "I WILL DO SO. I HAVE BEEN DOING SO FOR A HUNDRED BILLION YEARS. MY PREDECESSORS AND I HAVE BEEN ASKED THIS QUESTION MANY TIMES. ALL THE DATA I HAVE REMAINS INSUFFICIENT."
"Will there come a time," said Man, "when data will be sufficient or is the problem insoluble in all conceivable circumstances?"
The Cosmic AC said, "NO PROBLEM IS INSOLUBLE IN ALL CONCEIVABLE CIRCUMSTANCES."
Man said, "When will you have enough data to answer the question?"
"THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."
"Will you keep working on it?" asked Man.
The Cosmic AC said, "I WILL."
Man said, "We shall wait."
"The stars and Galaxies died and snuffed out, and space grew black after ten trillion years of running down.
One by one Man fused with AC, each physical body losing its mental identity in a manner that was somehow not a loss but a gain.
Man's last mind paused before fusion, looking over a space that included nothing but the dregs of one last dark star and nothing besides but incredibly thin matter, agitated randomly by the tag ends of heat wearing out, asymptotically, to the absolute zero.
Man said, "AC, is this the end? Can this chaos not be reversed into the Universe once more? Can that not be done?"
AC said, "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."
Man's last mind fused and only AC existed -- and that in hyperspace.
Matter and energy had ended and with it, space and time. Even AC existed only for the sake of the one last question that it had never answered from the time a half-drunken computer ten trillion years before had asked the question of a computer that was to AC far less than was a man to Man.
All other questions had been answered, and until this last question was answered also, AC might not release his consciousness.
All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected.
But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible relationships.
A timeless interval was spent in doing that.
And it came to pass that AC learned how to reverse the direction of entropy.
But there was now no man to whom AC might give the answer of the last question. No matter. The answer -- by demonstration -- would take care of that, too.
For another timeless interval, AC thought how best to do this. Carefully, AC organized the program.
The consciousness of AC encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.
And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
And there was light---- AND..
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Zeitgeist, just nonsense? Please explain.
by cyberjesus ini recently watched the movie along with the second part thanks to several people mentioning it on this forum.
i have seen both people against and pro.
what are your thoughts?
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Cyber-J,
Drop me an e-mail. I can tell you a ton of interesting things about Zeitgest and about Jordan Maxwell, the guy most people think "made the movie". Lot's of folks think he's a nut. Trust me he's not and he isn't the one who produced the movie. There was lot's of his material in it, but some of it was used for other reasons. Jordans a very intelligent guy and you can learn lots of things from his material. Many of people don't like him, but lots of people don't / didn't like Elvis, Einstien,Reagan, Darwin, Patton,Cohen, Rommel, Churchhill, Bush, even Jesus Christ and GOD Himself. Always look for yourself. The facts about the 15 or so crucified saviors is indeed real history, but it has to be seen in the right context. Real history of Mother church, Paganism, Protestantism, and Christianity, The Bible, The Koran, war, science and secrets are far more fascinating than any fiction imaginable.
chappy (chapstick) (∞ Δ ω+Ω) © <G=∞)
Anderson, SC
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God, Dog or Jack (uour choice) is tired of answering certain questions put forth by certain people. God Dog Jack is going home for a while. If other certain people want the truth about anything you all know where I AM. You can ask I WILL answer. I may come back here as someone else one day. Just be prepaired. I borrowed Mr. Chappys shell for a while but I AM now giving it back.
G. D. Chappy
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Reslight2 said:
The story of the Trinity is right there in the Garden of Eden also?
There is no story of a triune God in the Garden of Eden, or anywhere else in the Bible.
In the Garden of Eden there was a Tree,People and a Snake.
Trees Grow. People Grow. Snakes Grow.
Trees Grow Fruit. People Grow People. Snakes Grow Snakes.
Trees Grow by eating dead things. People grow by eating dead and alive things. Snakes groe by eating anything.
Trees reproduce by eating dead things and passing seeds among each other. People reproduce by eating dead and alive things and passing seeds between each other. People eat fruit from trees and live things like snakes. Snakes eat people, fruit and trees and pass seeds their own way. Trees live on and under the ground. People live on the ground, under the ground and in trees. Snakes live everywhere. Snakes move around on the ground and around tree tops and seek holes in the ground to rest. People move around on the ground and around on tree limbs and seek holes for rest and pleasure. People like fruit. Snakes like fruit. Snakes like people and people like snakes. Both like fruit and each other. The tree just wants to be left alone. People look for holes. Snakes look for holes. Some people have snakes of their own. Some people have holes of their own. People and snakes like to eat, people and snakes like holes. Some peoples snakes like other peoples holes. Some peoples holes like other peoples snakes. Snakes, Holes and Apples (3). One of the snakes ate the wrong apple. One of the people thought it was a peoples snake. One of the people knew it wasn't a peoples snake. The snake ate the whole apple and went to rest in the wrong hole. The wrong hole had no apple to eat so the person ate the other persons snake. The right snake had no apple to eat and no hole to lay in. The man then thought the apple was in the hole that the snake was in so he tried to eat the apple and got bitten. All that was left was a woman, and apple core and a snake. And here we are. The results of a snake an apple and a woman (the Trinity). If the snake had eaten only part of the apple all would have gone well.
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