Tammy,
"On the whole, I accept it unless it contradicts what Christ taught and showed."
I agree!!!
believingxjw
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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My view of religion using an analogy of theism vs. atheism...
by unshackled insince starting to leave the jws about 10 years ago (i was a fader) i've spent plenty of time going over what i was taught, scrutinizing the bible and its history, and reading books like the god delusion for a fresh perspective.
i would say i've landed on the atheist side of things, though i don't like the word.
(we don't have one for non-stamp collectors...so why non-believers in a god?
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believingxjw
Thank you so much, Tammy!
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My view of religion using an analogy of theism vs. atheism...
by unshackled insince starting to leave the jws about 10 years ago (i was a fader) i've spent plenty of time going over what i was taught, scrutinizing the bible and its history, and reading books like the god delusion for a fresh perspective.
i would say i've landed on the atheist side of things, though i don't like the word.
(we don't have one for non-stamp collectors...so why non-believers in a god?
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believingxjw
Unshackled,
Yes, it's true too many are fighting over religion. I wonder, though, how much of this "religious" fight is actually due to nationalistic, cultural and racial prejudices and bias. The Taliban are fighting for power really, the Israelis for national survival or existing borders, the Christian right in the U.S. for political power, and so on. Did the Catholic Church really burn people at the stake over religion or was it to keep control and power over the masses. Religion has been and is being used as an excuse for war. Take away Islam and would Islamic terrorists become peaceful men and women or would they find another reason/excuse to fight for what they want?
Are greed and hunger for power and territory all due to religion? If all religion disappeared would the world be at peace? No wars, no political greed, no political and social manipulation, no deception on the part of national leaders and corporations etc? People are easily manipulated and led. Take away religion and national leaders and those who want to be national leaders would simply use the old standby, nationalism, which is today alive and well all over the world.
I do agree that religion is getting a beating and for the most part rightfully so. Not because all religions are bad in themselves but because most religious moderates, and their leaders, are keeping too silent or speaking too softly. Allowing the fanatics of any religion to continue to run the media show is wrong. And I do agree that too many Christians are arrogant and self-righteous. Also that too many Christians run with the wrong scriptures in hand in order to make a show of piety and condemnation of others. And that like political leaders whose power can go to their heads so too there are Christian leaders who are drunk with power and who love their organization or religious hierarchy more than they love their members. But then, the other side, is that there are also those atheists who upon interacting with a Christian take out all their frustrations upon someone who had nothing to do with what hurt them and may be someone who is seeking mutual understanding and common ground and not to convert. Whether from an ancestral chimp, mitochrondrial eve or edenic eve we are all related and all brothers and sisters trying to understand life and what all this means this beautiful earth, our children, and what the future is for all mankind or even if there is a future.
I appreciated your non-judgmental reply. Thank you.
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My view of religion using an analogy of theism vs. atheism...
by unshackled insince starting to leave the jws about 10 years ago (i was a fader) i've spent plenty of time going over what i was taught, scrutinizing the bible and its history, and reading books like the god delusion for a fresh perspective.
i would say i've landed on the atheist side of things, though i don't like the word.
(we don't have one for non-stamp collectors...so why non-believers in a god?
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believingxjw
Unshackled,
"The SUN group and the MOON group eventually argue over their "gods" and who has the right one. They even begin to fight over it, hitting each other with sticks and coming to blows. Some people are injured, and some have even been killed"
There is a sub-group that you forgot to mention. Individuals from every faith who do not fight over their faith, hit one another or kill one another over their faith.
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Christians: Do you believe Jesus is the only way?
by sabastious ini was walking around town and a guy on a bike comes up to and shoves a cardboard bum sign in my face with "jesus is the only way" written in classy sharpy marker.. check out this scripture:.
john 14: 6 - jesus answered, "i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.. according to this scripture the guy's sharpy message was correct.. do you believe this message?.
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believingxjw
Sab,
"believingxjw, I think you are putting words into Jesus' mouth, but that can be a good thing since we don't have a whole lot of words from him."
Lol, I did not put one word in Jesus' mouth. But I understand.
Peace to you, Sab.
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Christians: Do you believe Jesus is the only way?
by sabastious ini was walking around town and a guy on a bike comes up to and shoves a cardboard bum sign in my face with "jesus is the only way" written in classy sharpy marker.. check out this scripture:.
john 14: 6 - jesus answered, "i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.. according to this scripture the guy's sharpy message was correct.. do you believe this message?.
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believingxjw
Sab,
"Jesus knew that he was speaking there was to be read by the whole world for millenia to come."
If that's the case then he would have also known that most people would never come to know about him and thus could never come to him. American Indians, Africans, Asians even Jews living in Babylon could not know Jesus. Millions upon millions have lived and died never knowing about him. He was speaking to his disciples, to those who knew him and those who would later come to know him as well. Non-Christians have no obligation toward him at all. Unless of course he should make himself known to them. But that's another story and another scripture.
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Christians: Do you believe Jesus is the only way?
by sabastious ini was walking around town and a guy on a bike comes up to and shoves a cardboard bum sign in my face with "jesus is the only way" written in classy sharpy marker.. check out this scripture:.
john 14: 6 - jesus answered, "i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.. according to this scripture the guy's sharpy message was correct.. do you believe this message?.
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believingxjw
Sab,
Jesus is speaking to his disciples. He was not speaking to those outside of that particular group. If a foreman tells his crew "no one is going to get their paycheck without coming to me first", does that mean he's speaking to everyone in town? At the time Jesus was speaking he was speaking to his disciples. Btw, the word "Christian" did not exist in Jesus' day.
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Christians: Do you believe Jesus is the only way?
by sabastious ini was walking around town and a guy on a bike comes up to and shoves a cardboard bum sign in my face with "jesus is the only way" written in classy sharpy marker.. check out this scripture:.
john 14: 6 - jesus answered, "i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.. according to this scripture the guy's sharpy message was correct.. do you believe this message?.
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believingxjw
Who is Jesus speaking to there in John 14, is it not his disciples? He taught them earlier that they were to call no one their Teacher because he was their Teacher. He taught them they were to call no one their Leader because he was their Leader. In my opinion, John 14:6 is a reminder to all Christians that the only way to the Father is through Jesus himself alone. For Christians the way to the Father is through the Son.
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How Were You Affected By The Judgmental Views Imposed By Jehovah's Witnesses?
by minimus inwere you too a very judgmental person?.
did others judge you harshly?.
i know no longer being a 'believer' means that i do a lot less judging of my brothers and sisters..
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believingxjw
I was judged harshly in the JW religion and turned in by a relative. But I've learned since then that individuals from all walks of life can also be very judgmental and harsh just as much as any JW can be. It's truly amazing to see the JW judgmental attitudes after the awakening from the JWs and then again to awaken a second time and see the same judgmental attitudes in many all around us. It's a very human trait and one hard to eradicate it seems.
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Getting Old Can Be So Good
by believingxjw ingetting old is one of the most beautiful things in my life.
sure, i get tired easily and i have my physical limitations but it is a wonderful place nonetheless!.
perspective!
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believingxjw
Thank you Palmtree.