The resoning is the same logica:
"Hitler was not that good but he protected Europe prevented it for taking over by communist."
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Even if it's not the truth, it's still the best way to live
by Simon inhow many times did you hear that gem?
it often went along with "the truth is a protection" which is their way of saying "living a moral life is good for you ... and you can't do that without us".. but think about what people are really saying.
i think the real message is "i know it's not the truth, but i chose to follow it anyway".. it seems like a pre-emptive argument because they know they can't defend it as "the truth" so instead they switch to defending it as a lifestyle.. of course any kind of lifestyle that has a decent moral ingredient to it, respect for law and order, discipline etc... probably increases people's chances of doing better in life, but they don't have a monopoly on it.. so just remember, next time you hear someone saying "even if it's not the truth" what they are really admitting is that they already know it isn't..
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Can you believe the opening song at the memorial tonight?!
by Indian Larry indid anybody (who went to the memorial) notice the opening song?.
keep in mind that this is the most important night of the year for the witnesses.
it is supposed to be all about jesus christ.
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So sad, this memorial.
No room for the historical Jesus.
A lost evening.
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Growing up JW kid: do you recognize
by Gorbatchov inborn in 1970, 4th generation jw and parents who were loyal to but could also think on their own.. my father always said, the show goes on, so he had a respectable community job, advisor of the city counsel of the town.
and buying ald building houses for us.
we were on the move.. what i remember is the many conversations at home about the other witnesses.
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Great story's, folks. Please go on, like to read more. 😎
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Growing up JW kid: do you recognize
by Gorbatchov inborn in 1970, 4th generation jw and parents who were loyal to but could also think on their own.. my father always said, the show goes on, so he had a respectable community job, advisor of the city counsel of the town.
and buying ald building houses for us.
we were on the move.. what i remember is the many conversations at home about the other witnesses.
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Born in 1970, 4th generation JW and parents who were loyal to but could also think on their own.
My father always said, the show goes on, so he had a respectable community job, advisor of the City counsel of the town. And buying ald building houses for us. We were on the move.
What I remember is the many conversations at home about the other witnesses. Not about doctrine but about people. And their strange behaviour.
I remember my survival modus in the organization. At school, college and work believe was never a topic. Became MS at 18 and did public talks at sunday.
It never captivated me at all. It was an empty shell.
Survival modus started at a very early age. Avoiding discussions. Take no stand. Letting it flow. Neutral. Feeling an outsider.
Now I know that my JW youth was not that bad at all. We were not indoctrineted and were making plans years ahead. One thing was not good: all the loose of time, we could invested it in better things. And because it was not done to go to University, I had to start with this when I was 35.
My original question was: do you recognize this?
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Was it just me or was something different about the memorial last night?
by kpop inthis was the first memorial that i declined to do any work for the memorial.
i was assigned as a parking attendant after getting downgraded from doing the sound and had no intention of doing either task but i had to attend for my family and continuation of my fade.
i sat there last night listening to the talk and couldn't help but shake my head as my brain attempted to process the bs.
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Here in Holland the same. In automat modus!
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Memorial
by Gorbatchov inwhat i noticed during the memorial is the over organised ritual aspect.
for a non jw is must be hard to follow.. for me, i noticed that during the memorial there is no attention for the historical jesus and the historical events.
it's all about the kingdom arrangement with it's central point, the governing body of jw.. do you noticed this also?.
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You say it, and I noticed it also: the elders did the job totaly on routine. They did not act from their hart. Rushing the welcome, reading the script and rushing the end message.
I think: the elders don't believe it for them selve anymore.
And yes, the songs have strange lyrics.
It has become an empty shell!
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This years memorial defeated me and I didn't even go
by Ghiagirl ini have not posted in a very long time here.
i would say about a year.
i was part of an ex jw chat that was very helpful, but a few months ago stopped being apart of it.
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So it is!
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Memorial
by Gorbatchov inwhat i noticed during the memorial is the over organised ritual aspect.
for a non jw is must be hard to follow.. for me, i noticed that during the memorial there is no attention for the historical jesus and the historical events.
it's all about the kingdom arrangement with it's central point, the governing body of jw.. do you noticed this also?.
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What I noticed during the memorial is the over organised ritual aspect. For a non JW is must be hard to follow.
For me, I noticed that during the memorial there is no attention for the historical Jesus and the historical events.
It's all about the Kingdom arrangement with it's central point, the governing body of JW.
Do you noticed this also?
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1970's Fred Franz prophecy books and current events
by Gorbatchov ini am convinced that world history will go on and on, and don't believe in an end time scenario.. but... and... .
when events occure like trumps tomahawk strike on syria, putting bombing a place and many, many coalitions are made with friends and enemies, my thought are going back to a 40 years ago, when i was a litle boy raising up in a cold war naval harbour town in northwest europe.
my jw grandfather learned me to investigate history.
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It was a strange time! Indoctrinated by working class history crazyness...
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1970's Fred Franz prophecy books and current events
by Gorbatchov ini am convinced that world history will go on and on, and don't believe in an end time scenario.. but... and... .
when events occure like trumps tomahawk strike on syria, putting bombing a place and many, many coalitions are made with friends and enemies, my thought are going back to a 40 years ago, when i was a litle boy raising up in a cold war naval harbour town in northwest europe.
my jw grandfather learned me to investigate history.
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I am convinced that world history will go on and on, and don't believe in an end time scenario.
But... And...
When events occure like Trumps Tomahawk strike on Syria, Putting bombing a place and many, many coalitions are made with friends and enemies, my thought are going back to a 40 years ago, when I was a litle boy raising up in a cold war naval harbour town in Northwest Europe. My JW grandfather learned me to investigate history. The bookstudy was in those years filled with long time ago and current history. It all came together in Fred Franz's prophecy books. The king of the north, the south and army's, tanks and rockets were the subject all culluminated in Armageddon.
So the world has not changed since then.
Do you still have this feeling with current events?
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