pakistani president pervez musharraf made some comments that are sure to raise eyebrows everywhere.
speaking of the whole islamic world, he said:.
"today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race".
Thanks Jan,
He sure is brave!!!! I wonder if the Bush Administration has made behind the scenes promises and agreements of mutual support with this President, causing him to feel somewhat secure when making these kinds of kamikaze statements in his part of the world?
If so, then this is rather foreboding for what may lie ahead.
IW
the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
Focus,
If that was directed at me, it must be based on a complete misreading of my words.
Hey, I noticed your "Bagheera Class" sign off to Larc. I think of you more as a "Cheshire Cat Class"!
I don't know why really, maybe it's your ability to help things along while seemingly causing havoc on the way to ...... wherever it is we are all going, individually or collectively.
Take Care,
IW
the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
Seeker,
Thanks for the reply.
IW
the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
Focus,
Ask the few surviving North American Native Americans - they have retained records of their history - who were the by far the most cruel, barbarous and murderous:
(a) the settlers and their Government
(b) the British troops
(c) the French troops
It was the European settlers who betrayed the trust of the North and South American Indian and it was European slave traders who brought slave ships to our shores! If America is anything at all; it is the progeny of Europe and of its Colonial Era. As a descendant of American Indians I take affront at any attempt to avoid responsibility here by in effect switching political masks!
IW
the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
Seeker, I was not just referring to nations who ask America for help. There are also those nations who, knowing that in the event of some major conflict America will step in to help them, enjoy the benefits of maintaining a scaled down military. In effect, "Our military, makes their low military budget possible!"
There has been much said here concerning countries who want America to leave them alone, but no names. If you can I would like to know which countries of the world feel this way, other than the obvious ones. I'll write to my congressman and ask what national interest is so important that we risk losing friends by imposing ourselves on them when we are not wanted! Not much I know but it's all I CAN do, since at the present time we are all held captive by the political machines in our respective countries.
The U.S. Constitution has taken second place to political machinations on the Federal and State levels. Changes need to be made. Loyalty and love for our country, our land and our people must come before Political Party loyalties and commercial ties to big business. Maybe the Enron problem and this seemingly mad and impossible business of searching out all the terrorists in the world will, along with some loud voices here in America, help the American people to see they need to be much better informed about our national and foreign policy issues both present and past. Americans need to elect quality people with proven track records and not rely on campaign rhetoric to help them pick national and state leaders.
There are many things that could be implemented here in America that would, I believe, greatly improve our political climate and in turn the Nation. It's easy for many to throw stones at America, and certainly many of their arguments have merit.
Someone on this thread brought up the mistreatment of the American Indians. The "Americans" who mistreated the Indians and enslaved the Blacks were Europeans and the descendants of Europeans. Africa, India, China and the Middle East all bear the scars of European domination and intervention in their affairs. Should we now start enumerating the "wrongs" committed by Europe and how those wrongs led to the murder, abuse and suppression of many peoples outside of Europe for centuries, in addition to World War?
Hardly! What Europe did was not because it was "Europe", it did what any peoples on earth would have done given the same circumstances. The same goes for the U.S., what country can say that given the same circumstances their own politicians would not have taken them down the same path that America has taken?
Human nature is the real enemy and how to get it under control is the real problem and challenge.
My comments are not directed at you personally, just putting in my 2 cents on the whole issue.
IW
the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
Prisca,
If you don't want a repeat of 9/11, then America needs to wake up and accept responsibility for its wrongs, and vow to never repeat them.
Hey, this is the best way to "wake up" America. In other words, if you don't like what America is "selling" you got to get the "Johns", your governments, to stop coming around for more!
Believe me, we would also like to have them off our "back"! They just "kiss up" so sweetly it's hard to say no! So the peoples of the world should consider their governments like a wayward husband! Grab him by the collar and get him outa that whore house and tell him that whatever he can't get at home he really doesn't need!
IW
the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
Focus,
I take it you were here referring to the wilful squandering of the earth's resources, the wholesale destruction of the world's environment, the polluting and asphyxiating of the globe, and the selfish use of non-renewable energy and other resources at per capita levels several times in excess of the mean for the rest of the "developed" world (and shamefully dozens, even hundreds of times higher than that of the "developing" world)...
IW
the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
Bboyneko,
The rest of the world is begging the US to mind its own business, stay out of its affairs and let them be.
This could be the greatest political scam of all time! Maybe all these years the U.S. Government has been stealing away our supposed foreign aid money into private Swiss bank accounts!!
This is bigger than Watergate!!
Seriously though, I would be very much in favor of minding our own business, as long as it also meant minding our own military with the exception of the countries I mentioned in my first post. It's rather embarrassing to have stayed too long as an invited or worse uninvited guest! I'm with you, the U.S. should crawl back to its own hole and let the world live its own happy life!
Many Americans would love to see that happen because we also kind of get tired of the rest of the world from time to time.
IW
the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
Seeker,
That is hypocrisy.
The world has many problems and the U.S. along with almost every other country has contributed in one way or another to those problems but what's needed are solutions not stone throwing! Sure we are big, we therefore cause big problems when we act wrongfully, but we also have at times helped to fix big problems. We take big, we also give big. Isn't that why some of our newly acquired "friends" stick around? Hypocrisy is a diplomatic tool which no country I believe can claim to be totally innocent of.
IW
the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
The U.S. Government is no better or worse than any other bureaucratic democracy in Europe or elsewhere. They all stink most of the time and stink less other times! So what's new? Oh, and like other stinkin' governments we do act in our own interests! Shock of shocks!
When some slimy political dictator has something we want we deal, if he doesn't we deal with his enemy. Yes, we are just like everyone else! I don't remember any country in the world asking Mother Theresa to run their foreign policy!
You think the U.S. is a bully?, don't tell us man! Tell the other governments of the world to stop groveling and sucking the tits of the U.S.!!! Tell the other governments of the world to get their act together. Then maybe the "bully" won't be asked to do it for them!
I don't exactly salivate every time tax time comes around and my money goes to supply other governments with military protection, many times against their own stinkin' neighbors because they haven't been able to get along for generations!
Personally I think the U.S. should finish this job that Bush has set the country on and then it should draw back. Let Israel and the Palestinians work things out without U.S. help or intervention. The same should go for every "little" fight that breaks out in Europe, Africa and Asia.
IMO, the U.S. should use its military to defend itself, Great Britain, Canada and Mexico. No others.
IW
