Well, unmitigated disaster makes for good television. Like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
Posts by jgnat
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4What do you think of the show Utopia?????
by jam infirst episode sunday.
interesting concept.
religion in this new society, but there is a minister in the group.lol.
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What do you think of the show Utopia?????
by jam infirst episode sunday.
interesting concept.
religion in this new society, but there is a minister in the group.lol.
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jgnat
Well, religion is on the decline.
I predict unmitigated disaster. People turn in to turds when they try and build perfection. Nobody else seems to get on the right page.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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jgnat
Do you dismiss the work of relief workers and wealthy donors who may not have experienced commensurate suffering?
Is there a one-to-one relationship of increased compassion from increased suffering? Are those who have endured the greatest suffering the most compassionate in our society?
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How much of our mind is our own?
by jgnat inmargaret singer, pioneer in the study of cults, chaired the alberta psychological association (apa) task force on deceptive and indirect methods of persuasion and control (dimpac) from 1983-1987. the final report of this task force was rejected by the apa, and has not been published.
the apa noted that the brief characterized the theory of brainwashing as not scientifically proven and lacking scientific and methodological rigor.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/apa_task_force_on_deceptive_and_indirect_methods_of_persuasion_and_control#reported_conclusions_of_the_dimpac_task_force.
the apa has since dismissed the use of the word "cult" and switched to the term "new religious movements".
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jgnat
That book just made my read list.
Perhaps this is why I had such an "aha" moment reading Haidt's "The Righteous Mind...." The reasoning portion of our mind is slow, deliberate, and a newcomer. Often it is purposed to come up with excuses for what we do, coming from our vast unconscious of impulses, drives, and feelings.
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"Who are we to question /god/?"
by LovelyEunie inhas anyone had this line said to them when there was questioning involved?
did it irritate you because when questioning did happen that line was almost always used as a shut down to keep you from going any further and to make you feel guilty in the process?
because we're just idiotic and feeble minded human beings, so surely we can't possibly begin to question the likes of god.
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jgnat
My riposte, "And who are YOU to pretend to speak for God? Maybe YOU have it wrong."
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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jgnat
"Compassion can NOT be developed without suffering..."
This is easily disproven. Young mothers develop attachment to their young ones (if all goes well), nearly all the time. The infant is defenceless and appealing in ways hard to define, though science has caught on to some of the tricks.
http://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-your-recent-book-mentioned-cuteness-and-made-me-wonder
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How much of our mind is our own?
by jgnat inmargaret singer, pioneer in the study of cults, chaired the alberta psychological association (apa) task force on deceptive and indirect methods of persuasion and control (dimpac) from 1983-1987. the final report of this task force was rejected by the apa, and has not been published.
the apa noted that the brief characterized the theory of brainwashing as not scientifically proven and lacking scientific and methodological rigor.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/apa_task_force_on_deceptive_and_indirect_methods_of_persuasion_and_control#reported_conclusions_of_the_dimpac_task_force.
the apa has since dismissed the use of the word "cult" and switched to the term "new religious movements".
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jgnat
I wonder if rather, the typically intensive recruitment efforts of NRM's are first to maintain control over existing members through busywork, and secondly to locate those one in a thousand who are vulnerable to their message.
There is control going on, and those who are living with the effects can attest to their power. There is a powerful sense of "awakening" once the doctrinal house of cards comes falling down.
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How much of our mind is our own?
by jgnat inmargaret singer, pioneer in the study of cults, chaired the alberta psychological association (apa) task force on deceptive and indirect methods of persuasion and control (dimpac) from 1983-1987. the final report of this task force was rejected by the apa, and has not been published.
the apa noted that the brief characterized the theory of brainwashing as not scientifically proven and lacking scientific and methodological rigor.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/apa_task_force_on_deceptive_and_indirect_methods_of_persuasion_and_control#reported_conclusions_of_the_dimpac_task_force.
the apa has since dismissed the use of the word "cult" and switched to the term "new religious movements".
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jgnat
Margaret Singer, pioneer in the study of cults, chaired the Alberta Psychological Association (APA) Task force on Deceptive and Indirect Methods of Persuasion and Control (DIMPAC) from 1983-1987. The final report of this task force was rejected by the APA, and has not been published. The APA noted that the brief characterized the theory of brainwashing as not scientifically proven and lacking scientific and methodological rigor.
The APA has since dismissed the use of the word "cult" and switched to the term "new religious movements". This study of new movements focuses on how our society reacts to these new influences and I think, does not distinguish those groups that use coercive methods to recruit and retain members.
I don't think the use of coercive methods has been seriously studied since. One must wonder also if an ethical study could be performed, considering how badly these experiments can go wrong. (Stanford prison experiment - Zimbardo).
I think the court system, which bases freedom on our ability to make up our own minds (free will), does not want to consider how often our choices are influenced by outside forces. What are we if we only have the illusion of free will? Automatons? If we are so easily coerced, how can any criminal be found guilty? He was captivated by undue influence.
In defence of academia's stance, Loftland lived with and studied the Unification Church in the sixties and noted that the recruitment efforts were largely ineffective (sound familiar)? If brainwashing were so large an influence in our lives, shouldn't such activities have a more effective recruitment rate? (Becoming a World-Saver...", Loftland).
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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jgnat
I have yet to see any citations for alternative works that would assist exiting cult members. I would be most interested in reading these.
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More friction with jw wife regarding moms bday bbq.
by marriedtoajw inthe wife is starting to pull away from my family.
its my fault but i couldnt help it.
my fault because for years my sistets were indifferent to my wifes jwness.
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jgnat
There is pleasure in abstaining. People wouldn't do it if they didn't get something out of it.