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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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@DerekMoors Very interesting legal theory with regards to witness tampering. I'd think it wouldn't be a crime until someone is an actual witness in a living case. Because the "tampering" is done to affect the trial, not the crime. At this point, he's simply asked that there be a trial.

If he were some hated public figure I'd think the government could for sure go for extortion. In our case, I think it's a very big legal hill to climb. Their claim will be that they were simply requesting damages be paid. Not worth the government's time. Just like if Lloyd's legal team(?) got some sympathetic prosecutor no way the case gets cleared up the ladder. For both financial and jurisdictional reasons.

Interesting to think about but will probably never happen.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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As others have said this is very evident that Lloyd has largely lost his network which was vital to his brand.

TheWallyB You make a very good point. He also may have told her, but he completely spun it as some minor thing by a few "obsessive ex-cultist". If he told her, it's got to be a massive blow to his ego because it means she immediately took the safe/side. ~~That means she didn't buy his story. If he didn't tell her, well~~ clearly he isn't too worried about the supposed harm caused to his reputation.

**edited: Didn't realize you talked to her Wally. That's wild he didn't tell her. Just shows how truly narcissistic he is.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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@Diogenesister That's interesting about his Dad so I guess I was wrong. Is it maybe that now his Dad makes money? There was the media company he owned that Lloyd also had some dealing with that reported 1.5 million in assets and earnings.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I remember when this happened and I'm sure I fed into his delusion just because I was happy anyone was in the news that brought up bad jw policies. I remember a lot of exjws being happy about that even if they didn't agree about Russia. So it would make sense that he would convince himself of how awesome he thought it was.

Funny watching it back now. He looks like he has no energy and is uninterested. The angle he chose was not flattering at all. He gave nothing for the reporter to work with. He kept trying to focus it on disfellowshipping. Their energy was total opposites. Also, it seems the interview was less about his viewpoint and more about him defending an organization he despises.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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The top part and bottom half of Lloyd's story feels like it conflicts. The bottom half sounds like a wealthy family. My guess is that early in his childhood his Dad had a bad luck streak. Then quickly recovered and got wealthy. Also, IRRC his Dad's company reported an income of around 1.5 million last year, I think it's somewhere in this thread.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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@DerekMoors yea I def think it makes sense and if people know it's a business that's fine. I really hope at some point he has to go into the actual job market. I could see him getting some job as a content producer, getting fired because he doesn't complete his tasks. Then, raging out on twitter about how unfair management is.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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@DerekMoors I think that's a great point about the commercialization of it. Lloyd's work feels very commercial in a way that's pushing his brand. That's something he has done from the start. It seems like his Dad is wealthy so he probably learned a bit from him about the business side. He's definitely the only person in the hall that manages to make a pyramid fly-by-night scheme work for them. Pressuring the newbies to buy from you by hosting a "party".

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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@smiddy3

No, I don't think this thread gives him importance. In fact, I think it's a good representation and document on a grifter who may be grifting still. I'm one of the people who he is suing so he is very relevant to me. Just like with Kim, who has been harassed at his direction by his defenders and which he all but ignores. This is a person who was doing a grift on a vulnerable group of people. People who were already grifted once in a major way. Some were physically/emotionally/sexually abused. Never once did he apologize for it. Which means he is a bold grifter.

We should be doing everything we can to ensure he doesn't do it again. He should absolutely not be harassed in my opinion. He should certainly be talked about. He should be talked about often, so that people who want to embrace him have all the facts. No different then what is done about another cult many "obsess" over.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I used to produce a lot of content commercially. Even wrote and produced a few national TV commercials. What Lloyd does for a living is relatively easy work. He has a manufacturing approach to content. Meaning he can just have an assembly line going.

He doesn't have to take time to be creative since everything follows a format. A professional has set everything up for him shooting-wise, so no work there. All the editing is done for him, again no work needed. The research is mostly done for him (by us and others), and he's already an expert on policy having been an elder. He also was trained to be a speaker. So those last two come naturally.

All he really has to do work-wise is pick the subject and do a few takes then review the edit. Probably max 2 days of work for a big video. When he collaborates or does interviews those are probably the days for him that feel like "real" work. Working with friends, and just having to listen.

When I did it for living it was the best easiest job I had. But, I saw firsthand if I had to do it all alone it would be stressful as hell for not a lot of payoff. Burnout eventually comes fast.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I think Lloyd had a few things going for him. For one he was the face of jwsurvey. I remember when it started I thought it was a fantastic idea. Social media and digital was moving more towards an analytical way of influencing people. I was doing digital marketing at the time and had a lot of ideas of how you could flip that data and wanted to help with it. There wasn't really a centralized place that used data as a strength.

The other issue I remember at the time was that many in the ex-jw youtube community felt a bit extreme. That extreme view is sometimes hard to take when just exiting. Lloyd felt like a more nuanced approach and once he tapped into a real editor you had a good combo for those just leaving. He was able to ride the first big wave of YouTube content producers. So like anything, with a little luck and a good idea anyone can make it.

The perfect storm for a narcissist. Do a little bit of work, get a huge reward and then scheme a way to keep doing as little work as possible off the backs of others...for free!