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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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  For me, aside from the second-hand evidence which he hadn't refuted. The evidence was in his first public statement after Kim announced she was going to do a livestream with me. Where he said anyone he had seen "sex worker or otherwise". He needs to show hard evidence the sex worker he "dated" was in fact really dating. The defense has to prove it had reason to believe that these allegations were true. Part of that defense is that Lloyd has a history of lying. Then, get him on the stand and show him lying again. Without any verifiable evidence, evidence that has never been given to the defense, my understanding of the Croatian laws around this is that he would lose his case. Defamation and libel require malice. Something he won't be able to prove.

  All of his "evidence" is going to be his word against ours or evidence no one saw. So they had a reasonable reason to believe what they saw was true. That's why it's so difficult no matter what country you're in to win a case. Especially in a country like the USA where there is a jury. He would have 0% of winning any case he filed there. Solely because he'd be so unlikable to a jury and a proven liar.

  This of course is ignoring the basic legal principle of jurisdiction. He has to prove the crime took place on Croatian soil. Or have some sort of extradition treaty for low-level crimes.

  My theory now is he is betting on the Croatian court system being "glacially slow" knowing full well they will reject it. All the while he can let this blow over and recover. Just a tough time in the distant past. When the court made a decision he and his lawyers were caught off guard. Now they can re-file and cross their finger. Hoping it takes longer this time.

  It will likely backfire again and the biggest loser will always be his pocketbook. The thing some might speculate he is likely trying to make look as small as possible for his ex-wife. Alimony and child support are coming if she is indeed following through with the divorce.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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  @Diogenesister

  I think the whole thing is tricky since we're not Croatian. When I was doing my research before the biggest win for defamation was from a politician. I also found an article (link below) about the system is abused but 90-95% of cases are thrown out and the defendants typically win. It also states that defamation is very hard to prove due to how the law is written. This article also gives more clarity on what his lawyer is doing.

  Based on the article below it would seem these frivolous lawsuits are common and take forever to get through the court system. Sometimes 5-7 years. A tactic meant to bleed out the defendant in a court case. Would explain why the lawyer took his money and did what he did. I also think they thought it would take a lot longer for the court to get back to them.
  
  https://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Areas/Croatia/Media-freedom-in-Croatia-the-problem-is-not-the-laws-but-their-application-217769
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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  He is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation but I think it's actually worse for him to go this route. He risks a judge having to review the case. Imagine her watching his confession/apology video and him validating the claims she made. The claims she didn't make but he implied she made was on Thailand. No where did she say he visited a sex worker. This leaves the other claim about him being divisive the only claim that he could claim is defamatory. One link here to the original post shows that it also was not defamatory. Please for the love god Lloyd why couldn't you just take the L??
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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  @Thisismein1972

  I believe #6 is claiming that the M7 made claims that he made all his content in one day. As some sort of defamation campaign that because he made it in a day he was grifting his audience out money claiming it takes a long time to make. Again, his problem is he never showed any evidence to the contrary even if someone made the claim or legit believed it. The majority of his claims he showed no evidence to the defense any of these were an actual lie. I'm sure he'll try to rope in that I made claims he was a smut peddler. The problem again for him his once I found the evidence JLE wasn't him I apologized for it and set the record straight.

  That's another problem for him. Many of the M7 actually swatted down lies and defended him. Something that doesn't work for his 'they were out to ruin me" tactic.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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  Not sure how it works in Croatia but in most of the civilized world in order for defamation or libel to be proved you have to prove the person you're suing knowingly told a lie with intent to harm. As in, saw overwhelming evidence that what they were saying was untrue and still said it. His whole defense is "my word against theirs". The problem is that he will have to prove to a judge his word is good enough. The sum of a trial would be a lawyer showing numerous times that Lloyd lied so therefore his word can't be taken seriously.
  
  There really isn't much to the case other than the two key questions before a judge. First being, do the defendants have reasonable cause to believe Lloyd was seeing prostitutes in Thailand? Well, he himself admitted to using prostitutes for years. he admitted to "dating" a "sex worker" in Thailand. I think most judges would find it reasonable for many to assume that yes he in fact did use a prostitute in Thailand. With that, it's also perfectly reasonable to speculate that any prostitute used may have been trafficked. It's now up to HIM to prove all these are not true in order for anyone to be found guilty of defamation or libelous.

  The second is if Lloyd is a "public figure" so therefore, defendants are immune from criminal liability due to the extremely high bar that comes with that. It would be easy to argue that this sort of talk is protected as "free speech" (Croatia has a carve-out specifically for this). Lloyd can't claim he makes money as a public figure and therefore is entitled to X and then claim he isn't a public figure so should fall under the laws for a private figure.

  It won't go to court but if it did I think his biggest issue would be Dijana. I think that has been his biggest fear all along. She knows all the secrets. Get her in a deposition and watch how fast Lloyd would likely drop the case. I suspect that is why he kept playing really bad defense on this trying to get ahead of it. He knows Dijana talked.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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  Maybe we can get it trending on tiktok https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJc9dybW/
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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  @LMSA regarding suicide etc... I think most narcissists will figure out a way to justify to themselves the situation they created. Either through blame or some form of delusion. It's tricky because we don't really know what is actually in his mind. It feels a bit tacky even discussing it just in case but, to me it def feels like these are just manipulation tactics. Dude feeds off of self aggrandizing and drama so long as the spotlight moves to him. Just screams to me someone who plays the depressed game without ever living it.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  That open mic cut was incredible. Lloyd can't go two minutes with out having to bring up something sex related. This is so cringe it's insane. How tone-deaf can one man be?? Like 99% of the people who google him and read about the "apology" will get heavy creep vibes from any of these jokes. He's trying to take advantage of that slim demographic who will be interested in you and never use google lol.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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  Hmm... my personal belief is he doesn't seem that unhinged. To kill your kids is pretty out there. I also don't think he'd kill himself. There is a big difference between clinical depression and narcissistic personality disorder. Wild armchair psychologist speculation here (from someone with no expertise) but people who are actually depressed aren't likely to go off to holiday in an exotic local going on dates.
  
  My guess is he'll probably always have a small cult like following who will keep the rent paid. He'll have to take a part-time job doing...something... and he'll get a young girlfriend who leaves him after a year or two. All while he continues to see sex workers cause you can bet that probably never stopped.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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