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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  @lloydevensparadoy I read all of that in a Shakespearean voice. It feels like a copy-paste of one of those, "and then everybody clapped" memes. Has some strong "I'm a total badass" vibes. But it doesn't make much sense. He was only moderately popular with ex-jws. What kind of blackmail is this? It's also hilarious in his mind he couldn't believe they would dare stand up to his threat. They must not have heard him the first time. Yep, that's gotta be it.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  @Simon I think the whole Ocam's Razor point has a lot of validity to it. I've always been a little skeptical of the Marko thing and I'll explain why. There's a really simple explanation. He planted that himself to make his critics look crazy. Then it backfired on him. So he came clean to Leah Remni. That's why she believed him. He had evidence he planted it himself. That could also explain why Mark O'Donnel denied it for Llloyd. I can see how it also works for him for this to be a wild goose chase. Why he encourages it.
  
  A journalist was looking into him but got dead ends with basic sleuthing. Told me that if he had more time and resources he has no doubt he would find people to talk. Probably would just take 2-4 days of work for a PI or a journalist there on the ground. Due to no one in the real world caring/knowing who Lloyd was, he couldn't find any interest from the media so moved on to other stories.

  I'm willing to bet either way he would have uncovered a lot of things Lloyd wants hidden about his past JW life.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  @Vintage

  Ah my bad. Totally misread it.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  @144thousand_and_one

  Edited and removed my post as I misread....whoops! Sorry about that.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Whatever "legacy" he will have in the future is largely going to be due to older evergreen content going into policy that is still current. There's been no bombshell "viral" moments other than TPT and AM which aren't going to be that relevant for current JWs. There's been no viral entertaining moments. The only legacy he has is that he made some videos that go in depth into why certain policy is wrong. Due to how Youtube ranks videos in search his will usually be near the top.
  
  However, once policies change there is no legacy. It's even more laughable that when Lloyd had his most viral moment he's ever had last year the reaction from 50% of exjws was, "who's Lloyd"?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  I'm still flabbergasted that he begged for money to keep making videos. Said that he got money, so needs more money. Then got a makeover, played open mic nights, tried his hand at standup comedy and went on vacation. All while making little content. Makes me wonder why I am slaving away using my own money to build my business instead of just milking the ex-jw community and living the dream.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  This sort of explains his recent behavior. He got a cash influx. There is nothing more obnoxious than a certain type of guy who just recently got divorced, is in a mid-life crisis and just got some cash. The open mics, comedy and this bleach blond look.

  Also wow at his need fo employees. I understand making 1-2 smallish videos a week can be a full time job. Making high quality content 1-2 a month can be a high end job. However, doing interviews and claiming to need an editor and coordinator is just hilarious.

  Coordinating might take what 2 hours out of the week? It's literally just a few back and forth emails. The grifter has got to grift!
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  I took up Tibor's challenge to email him last year. Here is how the convo went which I could also supply screenshots of. He totally ghosted me when I asked him for answers on ethical issues which he claimed he would answer. That told me all I needed to know about Tibor. He only popped up about the greenscreen debate and nothing else mattered to him. Not our feelings or Lloyd's behavior.
  
  My message to tibor:

  "Hey Tibor. I do believe it is you posting on the forum. However I wonder why you refuse to answer anything other than about the greenscreen issue? Do you have no problem with someone who claims to care about sex abuse survivors yet pays exploited women for sex?"

  Tibor's response:
  

  "Hi Jonathan!
  

  
  

  First of all, thanks for contacting me directly. You are the first and only one to do so.

  
  

  I just wanted to clear up something I have direct impact on. The technical side of our video production is my job and I simply wanted to debunk a very simple and IMO silly theory about us using a green screen.

  
  

  As to my refusal to answer questions, I just don't see the point. Do you or anyone else need me to tell you that prostitution is bad? Or that adultery is bad? All of us, including Lloyd are aware of this and that's why I don't see the point in answering those questions.

  As for other questions like misusing funds or using sex workers in Thailand, I am not answering those because I have no proof of either. I don't have access to company finances or Lloyd's personal accounts so how could I prove or disprove any of it? Same for prostitution in Thailand, I have no idea what Lloyd was or wasn't doing there so how am I in position to talk about it?

  
  

  Also, the way people on the forum replied to me puts me off answering any question that I would otherwise. Accusing me of being Lloyd is just sad, amd doing so for using the expression "new low" and saying I told him about the forum post, which I did. This proves these people cling to anything and as soon as they don't get what they want they start name-calling you. Really sad IMO.

  
  

  Hope you see my point, if not I am open to more questions if you have them.

  
  

  Take care,Tibor Cecelja"
  My response to Tibor:
  "Thanks for attempting to answer my question [SIC]. You say that Lloyd understands its bad. But does he? He refuses to apologize for it. He says that it doesn't matter if he uses funds from Patreon and it's no one's business. If you believe prostitution is bad as you claim why do you publicly stand by someone who doesn't find it bad? You say there is no proof he used funds. Yet he publicly stated it was no one's business if he did. What is the point of saying this if he didn't use funds? He has since changed his claims over what funds were used when the public was upset. So if you had evidence that say Patreon funds were used, would you even change your opinion?
  
  I guess what I'm trying to get at is, why do you feel it ok for Lloy [SIC] to imply that none of this is a problem? Why do you feel it is ok for Lloyd to call people who do have a problem with it terrible people or still stuck in an "ex JW mindset"?
  
  Why do you find it ok for Lloyd to name-call anyone who criticizes him yet you take a stand against those who name-call him/you?
  
  Can you see how that immediately can rub people the wrong way. Do you feel that Lloyd has no culpability any of this?"
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  @LMSA

  Catching up on everything as work has been super busy. Just wanted to point out that I was personal friends with Oompa (Eric). As he lived near me and came to meetups I would host in Charlotte, NC for exjws. We hung out numerous times having some drinks and talking about random shit. Then, we kind of lost touch. I kind of migrated away from the ex-jw community but remember coming back here when I heard the news. Now looking back it's stomach-churning how Lloyd made all this drama out of it.
  
  Given Eric's personality, I'm sure he would have had some hilarious words to say to Lloyd over all of it. Especially with regards to Lloyd's latest actions. Might have to have a beer in Eric's memory tonight.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  @WingCommander

  The whole thing is kind of a lesson in being patient. He could have just waited to see if his wife would share anything online before talking to Kim about it. He could have just waited for things to die down before making that disaster of an apology video. He could have not been impulsive and forced himself to follow through with his legal threat. Most of the foot/ass shooting is him acting impulsively then having to clean up or back up those acts of impulsiveness.