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Because YOU are the one who doesn't view Kim authenticating it as a good source. So if YOU don't believe the source we do then it is up to YOU to authenticate it in a way YOU will believe it. My assumption was this would be only if Lloyd or Dijana authenticated it. So it's up to YOU to ask him.
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@Whateveryousay
Have you thought about just asking him?
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I haven't seen that amount of projecting since I was at the drive-in movie theater.
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By the way someone should make an entry for Lloyd in encyclopedia dramatic. This could also be on reddit r/cringe or r/niceguys. Yikes.
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That letter is something else. This man tells her she can't ask him about certain things. Refuses to engage with things he isn't comfortable with. Then has the audacity to say he's been more than honest and pushed beyond his comfort zone. I mean to put the definition of gaslighting down. Then immediately gaslight. "I'm being totally honest with you except for the things I'm being dishonest about babe".
He laid out how he got to cheat on his terms. All the way down to the guilt and shame. He continually makes her the victim. My favorite is how he keeps trying to tell her that they are sexually incompatible. Then she tries to figure out how to be sexually compatible. He refuses and tells her it's only by letting him sleep with anyone but her. WTF?
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Imagine believing so much in what you do, that you can only do it if you get paid. Oh and the others who help you do what you do? They also believe in it so much they will only help if they get paid. Mind-blowing the logic there.
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I would love to see this play out in court. He will never be able to prove damages. Even worse it would be shown that based on his subscribers who exited, it was his own words that made them leave not anything we (M7) said. That's if he could even prove anything we said was defamation. Again for his defenders reading this, defamation is a high bar. He has to prove lies were told knowingly with the express intent to damage his reputation.
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@Borgoff (if you're not gone) and others who agree with their statements please read this and really chew on it
I understand the point you're trying to make. It's similar to Dave Chappelle's, "he rapes but he saves" routine he did around a superhero who can only save people while at the same time raping them. Does the good outweigh the bad? The great thing about not being in a cult is we each get to make that decision ourselves. You can support Lloyd all you want because you believe that the good he does outweighs the bad in his personal life. Where Lloyd completely lost the plot there and where many celebrities/activists do for me, is how they react after the scandal.
Lloyd's reaction was not, "Sorry I did something bad and let a lot of people down". His reaction was, "I did nothing wrong. Fuck you its not your business". Not only that, but his target audience is vulnerable people who are trying to exit a cult whose entire attitude is, "we do no wrong, fuck you".
The JWs make some amazing videos now. Really top-notch high-end stuff that helps people with their daily struggles. They have a great internal community. However, what drives most people away are the actions of leaders. Do you want to keep JWs around because they have genuinely helped hundreds of thousands of people? Or do you want them stopped because of actions that show a lack of compassion to those they hurt?
That's the key for me here. He showed ZERO compassion to anyone he hurt. Including to his wife (outside of a claimed apology). Again I would argue its this lack of compassion that drives the majority of jws to leave the cult. They were molested and no one cared. An elder sinned and got away with it. They brought up a valid point and were told to shut up. That ALWAYS outweighs any good the WTBS did or will ever do.
You can judge the WBTS for the actions their leaders do. You can claim the same judgment can't be made on Lloyd for the actions he does. You can say that the good outweighs the bad for Lloyd but not the WBTS. That's fine, but for me, it's just straight-up hypocrisy and there is some mental gymnastics you need to do for that logic.
This isn't even getting to the issue of the impact Lloyd's actions had on sex abuse survivors and the hard work it erased that he was a part of.
