I agree with Nickolas above.
Posts by dgp
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52Maximum Damage to the WT.
by Essan ini have to hand it to the society.
they understand the power of organization.
they demonstrate that no matter how ridiculous your message and how much the facts don't support your position you can still accomplish a lot if you are organized.
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Godrulz spoke about the Bible and said
the accurate transmission of it
You just can't be a Jehovah's witness and claim that the transmission of the Bible was "accurate". You HAVE to say that copyists deleted the "YHWH". If so, I wonder how Jehovah's witnesses cannot connect the dots and smell that there were other ways the Bible was not transmitted accurately. Bart Ehrman has a whole book on "mistakes" alone .
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Maximum Damage to the WT.
by Essan ini have to hand it to the society.
they understand the power of organization.
they demonstrate that no matter how ridiculous your message and how much the facts don't support your position you can still accomplish a lot if you are organized.
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dgp
Juan Viejo: I'm extremely happy to read your post. In this, as in many other things, you will have to excuse my ignorance as a worldly. I trust you can see my fear is one of "us" running out of people with authority to speak, one that I don't have because (fortunately) I was never a witness.
Didn't know about Hitchens' disease. Sad thing.
I think that, more than an organization, involving hierarchy and all, what should unite everyone is purpose. The purpose should be to help people truly decide whether they want to spend their lives in the cults or not. They should have the information.
I think there should also be space for worldlies like me. I would be told something like "And, will you please explain why you are here?". I would say something like "Because....".
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Maximum Damage to the WT.
by Essan ini have to hand it to the society.
they understand the power of organization.
they demonstrate that no matter how ridiculous your message and how much the facts don't support your position you can still accomplish a lot if you are organized.
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dgp
Cantleave wrote:
If we start an organisation, can i be on the Governing Body?
Right!
And then Leavingwt spoke about "Maximum Help".
I agree with the two of them.
Personally, I believe that the entire Governing Body, the Writing Department, the translators and some other people in the Watchtower have all done their best for absolute contempt. I don't think this would ever happen, but I do find they would "qualify" for criminal charges, particularly because of the bloody blood issue. That said, we need to bear in mind that there are several millions out there who are sincere in their beliefs, and they don't need destruction, but simple truth.
I find that much of that truth is already being given by volunteers.
I am concerned, however, about what will happen when people like Barbara Harrison or Randall Watters are no longer capable of telling it like it is. I am concerned about the safeguarding of the documents produced by the Watchtower, so that more, younger people can understand that and stay away from those. I'm also concerned about the safeguarding of the contents of sites like this one, or Freeminds, JWFacts, et cetera. That does require some sort of organization, maybe, or at least some coordination so that anyone interested can find the information, and no one can destroy it.
Some organized action is perhaps convenient, but I don't think it should go as far as an "organization".
Ms. Harrison has such a wealth of information on the Watchtower Documents website. I am afraid no similar collection exists in other languages, among them Spanish, which is such an important language for the Watchtower now, and the language of men and women who are dear to me.
As to this,
I think it would be more useful and practical to exist alongside ex-Mormons, ex-Scientologists, ex-Moonies, etc. under an overall ex-Cult (or whatever other name you want to call it) umbrella.
Such a thing already exists in Steven Hassan's Freedom of Mind website (http://freedomofmind.com/). By the way, I am also concerned about what would happen once Mr. Hassan does not work like he does now.
I think there is another group of people who could help. Or, at least, who should be interested. I see all this cults, the Watchtower included, as attempts agains human freedom and happiness. I think people with a sincere love of freedom, and those for a secular society, should also be happy to help. Think Pat Condell, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens. Some people would object to them because their presence could be perceived as an attack on religion for the sake of attacking religion, not for the sake of freedom.
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I would like to offer an alternative reason of why religious organizations such as the Catholics and the Watchtower insist in your following their interpretations. The statement is not mine, but Isaac Asimov's:
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
That is why they "help you understand it".
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Who's the most intolerant religious group?
by Wonderment ini would like to hear people's opinions on intolerant religious groups?
who wins?.
somehow, i have this notion that pentecostals would win 1st place, followed by baptists, followed by jw's.
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Satinka: Please, don't be.
Suppose someone asked people choose between the shunning of the Jehovah's witnesses and the fatwa of a Muslim fanatic that means you'll get killed. I think most people would choose shunning. Their reasoning would probably be something like "Hey, at least I can talk to the worldlies". That would sort of dilute the intolerance of JW's and would make them appear "good in comparison". The "in comparison" could soon be forgotten.
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Who's the most intolerant religious group?
by Wonderment ini would like to hear people's opinions on intolerant religious groups?
who wins?.
somehow, i have this notion that pentecostals would win 1st place, followed by baptists, followed by jw's.
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This thread could end with some people agreeing that Religious Group 1 is worse than Religious Group 2, or in disagreement as to whether 1 is worse than 2, and maybe -since humans are so creative- even in a different outcome. I would like to submit to you the idea that any intolerance due to religion is to be frowned upon, however mild, or however mild it might appear compared to others. I think this is the point we should not miss.
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Who's the most intolerant religious group?
by Wonderment ini would like to hear people's opinions on intolerant religious groups?
who wins?.
somehow, i have this notion that pentecostals would win 1st place, followed by baptists, followed by jw's.
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I think Muslims are more violent than others because they have the means for that. I wonder if there is a difference in mindsets.
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Who's the most intolerant religious group?
by Wonderment ini would like to hear people's opinions on intolerant religious groups?
who wins?.
somehow, i have this notion that pentecostals would win 1st place, followed by baptists, followed by jw's.
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Have you guys noticed that religious people are at each other's throats, with the exception of those countries where a secular government is in place?
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Who's the most intolerant religious group?
by Wonderment ini would like to hear people's opinions on intolerant religious groups?
who wins?.
somehow, i have this notion that pentecostals would win 1st place, followed by baptists, followed by jw's.
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dgp
I believe this discussion could go on and on without an agreement as to which religious group is more intolerant. I think the real concern is that they exist at all, whether they are mildly intolerant or not.