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the federal public ministry at ceara, brazil, on july 14, 2011 filed a civil action against the religion of jehovah's witnesses in the 8th federal court for practicing religious discrimination against former members.
prosecutor nilce cunha rodrigues has taken on official representation of sebastian oliveira (ramos) who, after being expelled from the religion was discriminated against by colleagues, friends and relatives, including his mother, in accord with norms of the jehovahs witnesses who are headed by a governing body of the watchtower society.
One of the links is not working (the one for the Folha de São Paulo), and another is not correctly pasted:
http://www.otempo.com.br/otempo/colunas/?IdColunaEdicao=16015
This is the work of columnist Fátima Oliveira. Somewhere in this site I posted a translation of one of her previous columns in this regard. I will translate this one, too, but will post it later.
posted on www.christianwitnesses.com.
the federal public ministry at ceara, brazil, on july 14, 2011 filed a civil action against the religion of jehovah's witnesses in the 8th federal court for practicing religious discrimination against former members.
prosecutor nilce cunha rodrigues has taken on official representation of sebastian oliveira (ramos) who, after being expelled from the religion was discriminated against by colleagues, friends and relatives, including his mother, in accord with norms of the jehovahs witnesses who are headed by a governing body of the watchtower society.
Here is the transcript of this video:
Jehovah's Witness business condemned for refusing to hire disfellowshipped persons (ExJWs).
I will post the English original first, and then the Portuguese transcription, for anyone to check.
English:
Legal News
Newscaster:
In Cuiabá, in [the State of] Matto Grosso, a woman will be indemnified for discrimination by a female manager of a company who refused to work with her on religious grounds.
Voice of
Mara Martínez
Journalist
Jornal da Justiça (Legal News)
Since she was invited to work at this new company, the woman quit her old job in Cuiabá, and in the process she gave up labor benefits, since she was told she had to start her work at her new position immediately.
In the camera:
Mara Martínez
Jornalist for Jornal da Justiça (Legal News)
Brasilia, Federal District
On her first working day at her new job, the woman was informed that she would not be hired. The alleged reason is that she was expelled from the church of Jehovah's Witnesses because she had a child and is not married, and one of the company's managers, who attends that church, would not associate with someone who had been disfellowshipped from the congregation for bad behavior.
The woman resorted to the authorities and she will be indemnified with five thousand reals for moral damages.
In the camera
Bernardo Pablo Sukiennik
Constitutional Lawyer
"The indemnification is justified because this person did take some actions. For example, she gave up some of her rights as an employee, she gave up that 40% of the tenth day, she gave up continuing her career in the first company in order to work at the second company. And all that is eligible for indemnification. Obviously, calculations would need to be made to determine the amount of the indemnification".
Voice of
Mara Martínez
Jornalist for Jornal da Justiça (Legal News)
Brasilia, Federal District
In Brasilia, the church of Jehovah's Witnesses informed that no congregational regulations allow such discrimination.
Voice of
Heráclides Cambuy
Elder of the Church of the Jehovah's Witnesses
"People who become Jehovah's witnesses and leave, who become disfellowshipped, these people receive periodical visits inviting them to come back. The meetings of Jehovah's Witnesses are open to everyone, and people are welcome to attend these meetings. On the other hand, people are also free not to want to remain [in the church] anymore. And, we respect that as well".
There is one part of Mr. Sukiennik's intervention when his speech is not very clear. He says that the woman in question gave up 40% of "the tenth date". I suppose this makes reference to some labor benefit as well. I will be happy if anyone removes the doubt.
Five thousand reals (R$ 5.000, in Brazilian notation) is equivalent to three thousand US dollars. Or so it says here:
http://www.exchange-rates.org/converter/BRL/USD/5000/Y
The Portuguese original:
Noticiário Jornal da Justiça
Apresentadora:
Em Cuiabá no Mato Grosso uma mulher vai ser indenizada por ter sido discriminada pela gerente de uma empresa que se recusou a trabalhar com ela por questões religiosas.
Voz de
Mara Martínez
Jornalista
Jornal da Justiça
Convidada para um novo emprego, a mulher pediu a demissão do antigo serviço em Cuiabã, abrindo mão de benefícios pois teria que assumir a nova função imediatamente.
Em câmera
Mara Martínez
Jornalista do Jornal da Justiça
Brasília - DF
No primeiro dia de trabalho a mulher foi informada de que não seria mais contratada. O motivo é que ela teria sido que ela tinha sido afastada da igreja Testemunhas de Jeová por ter tido um filho sem ser casada, e que uma diretora da empresa que freqüenta a igreja não poderia conviver com uma pessoa que tinha sido desassociada da congregação por mau comportamento.
A mulher recorreu à Justiça e vai ser indenizada em cinco mil reais por dano moral.
Em câmera
Bernardo Pablo Sukiennik
Advogado Constitucional
"Cabe a indenização porque a pessoa tomou certas medidas. Por exemplo, desistiu de direitos trabalhistas, desistiu daquele quarenta por cento da fecha dez, desistiu de continuar fazendo a carreira em outra empresa para mudar para otra. E tudo isso é indenizável e aí obviamente seriam feitos cálculos para saber o valor da indenização".
Voz de
Mara Martínez
Jornalista do Jornal da Justiça
Brasília - DF
A Igreja Testemunhas de Jeová em Brasilia informou que não há normas dentro da congregação que permitam esa discriminação.
Voz de
Heráclides Cambuy
Ancião da Igreja Testemunhas de Jeová
"As pessoas que se tornam testemunhas de Jeová e depois se afastam, que se tornam desassociadas elas recebem periodicamente visitas convidando a voltar. As reuniões dos testemunhas de Jeová são abertas e as pessoas são bem-vindas para assistir as reuniões. Mas, por outro lado, a pessoa também tem a liberdade de não querer mais. E então nós respeitamos isso também".
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the federal public ministry at ceara, brazil, on july 14, 2011 filed a civil action against the religion of jehovah's witnesses in the 8th federal court for practicing religious discrimination against former members.
prosecutor nilce cunha rodrigues has taken on official representation of sebastian oliveira (ramos) who, after being expelled from the religion was discriminated against by colleagues, friends and relatives, including his mother, in accord with norms of the jehovahs witnesses who are headed by a governing body of the watchtower society.
I wonder if anyone on this forum knows how to add subtitles to a You Tube video. I can obtain the audio from a You Tube video (easy-peasy) and can do the translation, which I could deliver as a transcript, but it would be nice if I someone more knowledgeable told me how to add subtitles.
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the federal public ministry at ceara, brazil, on july 14, 2011 filed a civil action against the religion of jehovah's witnesses in the 8th federal court for practicing religious discrimination against former members.
prosecutor nilce cunha rodrigues has taken on official representation of sebastian oliveira (ramos) who, after being expelled from the religion was discriminated against by colleagues, friends and relatives, including his mother, in accord with norms of the jehovahs witnesses who are headed by a governing body of the watchtower society.
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i received an email with the following information that is worth sharing.. the 2011 yearbook goes to great lengths to elevate the truthfulness of watchtower information in even minor details, and criticise information from other sources.
so it is telling that the 2010 "jehovah's witnesses - faith in action, part 1" has omitted an important element of their history when re-enacting the 1922 cedar point convention.. under the heading "tracing all things with accuracy" the 2011 yearbook states: .
"jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.
Bookmarked. Great job, as usual .
a few months back the newly appointed governor of wisconsin, scott walker, took a lot of heat for the monetary policies he put in place.
i remember hearing him make statements to the crowds regarding the future of the "children of wisconsin.
" he made a point to mention the children's future in regard to their debt that was feared as too big for the future to handle.. how would governor walker react to witness child policies if he was told what actually takes place in many congregations of jehovah's witnesses.
I know what the answer to the question would be, but I have to post it. And, I don't disagree with Mad Sweeney. I just would like to introduce a different angle.
If I believed in the Aztec religion and wanted to sacrify virgins in the altar to my dear Huitzilopochtli, so he would keep the world going, would the laws on murder be construed as laws restricting my religion? Should I be allowed to sacrify virgins, so I could not claim persecution?
My secular mind tells me that religion is but a construct of the mind and it should be regulated whenever it conflicts with humanity. I think freedom of religion should not be understood to mean freedom to do the worst things and claim that is just my religion.
I sure hope all countries will find a way to do what Australia is doing. It would be quite a pity if America, of all countries, couldn't do that.
a few months back the newly appointed governor of wisconsin, scott walker, took a lot of heat for the monetary policies he put in place.
i remember hearing him make statements to the crowds regarding the future of the "children of wisconsin.
" he made a point to mention the children's future in regard to their debt that was feared as too big for the future to handle.. how would governor walker react to witness child policies if he was told what actually takes place in many congregations of jehovah's witnesses.
laicete that recognizes that reliigion can coerce and destroy citizens
Vive la France! Allons enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrivé...
Band on the Run, look a bit south. Like Mexico. Check why they have a period of their history called "the Reformation".
years (many decades) ago, most jws knew what their religion taught.
they could go toe to toe with a minister or priest and make some good points.. i believe today's witness knows little about most of the convoluted teachings and revisions of the "truth".
yesteryear's witnesses got a 9/10.
Defending the Watchtower is the very last thing I would want to do, but, with respec to Band on the Run's last post, yes, mainstream Christians know little about what their religion holds as true. But I wonder if that is not, in the end, the human thing to happen. Can you imagine the degree of fanaticism that is necessary for you to be able to pinpoint every single aspect of a large body of doctrines, and be able to (sort of) defend each one? Only the truly fanatic can do that. And once religion grows, it is no longer possible to have the same kind of power over everyone.
I don't think most Catholics really know what the difference is between "ascension" and "assumption", or what they really mean when they say "god from god, light from light, true God from true God, begotten, not made...", or what the immaculate conception really is (and this is one of the big tenets of the faith). This is just too dense for the average person to worry about, unless there is heavy pressure from outside.
I can also imagine that a person who has to live with an ever changing body of doctrines will gravitate towards repeating the general mantras and forgetting about the rest. If they asked me what I thought about blood, I would refer people to the elder; but if I were hard pressed into speaking myself, I would say something vague and general.
Again, however, this doesn't make witnesses look good. If only people knew...
i'd like the input of the guys, maybe some of you who have been married or in a serious relationship for some time.
if you were having an affair and your wife found out about it, would you want her to tell you she knew?
would it serve a purpose, that is, make you end the affair, or on the other hand, push it over the edge to be with the other person?
would you want her to tell you she knew? Would it serve a purpose, that is, make you end the affair, or on the other hand, push it over the edge to be with the other person? Speaking of affairs, if it is an " intense emotional" affair, not yet physical, what is the liklyhood it would go no further and run it's course, or would telling him push it to the physical level? Thanks for the input.
This is what you wrote. First, I will call this "intense emotional affair" cheating, but just for the sake of making things easier for me to write.
would you want her to tell you she knew?
is kind of an odd question. It sort of makes me feel that the question means "Do you think I will piss him off? Because that's not what I want". But that's only my impression.
I am sure, however, that a cheating spouse would like to find out whether the spouse cheated on knows about the cheating, but I think the reason would be only to be better prepared to anticipate what the spouse cheated on would do. Being cheated on is a terrible experience and people react to it in a variety of unpleasant ways.
Would it serve a purpose, that is, make you end the affair, or on the other hand, push it over the edge to be with the other person?
I don't think there is a way for us to tell. In some cases, yes, the affair comes to an end. The reason is not necessarily that the cheating spouse is concerned about the spouse cheated on. Some rare times (to my knowledge) the cheating leads to leaving the spouse. Usually the cheating begins without the cheating spouse intending to leave the marriage. And the sad truth is that "the other woman" or "the other man" are often told that they are not that important to put an end to a marriage after all.
Speaking of affairs, if it is an " intense emotional" affair, not yet physical, what is the liklyhood it would go no further and run it's course, or would telling him push it to the physical level?
I think "intense emotional" affairs are in a way worse than purely physical ones. The reason is obvious. People don't (usually) leave a spouse or marriage only for the sake of sex. People do leave relationships that are perceived as bad.
The likelihood of this affair going no further is hard to predict. Sometimes it doesn't go any further and the people involved know very well that it won't. Often it does go further. For the reasons elderelite pointed out.
When someone posts something like this on a forum, you need to read between the lines. I take it that someone has found out that his/her spouse is cheating, and wishes to know what would be the best thing to do: to say that all is known, or not to say it.
There is no way to predict what will happen if this person says s/he found out about the cheating. The right question to ask is whether s/he wants to stay with the cheating spouse. If s/he does, then his/her talking is not the way to go, because it will surely backfire. This person should say nothing if s/he wants the other person to stay. This person should bear in mind that the spouse might go away some day anyways.
How to react to cheating is a very personal decision, and one that shouldn't be made lightly.
steven unthank must surely be unique among individuals featured in topics on this forum.
thread after thread has detailed his alleged legal proceedings against the watchtower society in the australian state of victoria.
along with the detailed reporting, others have been saying, who is this man?
I would think that the fact that the Australian government accepted something under the name of Steve Unthank is proof enough that someone by that name does exist. I would assume there is a way to verify his identity.
Besides, whatever the merits, the case is real. The Australian government is indeed involved. In a way, I don't care if the man goes by the name of Mr. Potato. I would be more interested in the effects of the case. Incidentally, in my humble opinion, the real interest of the case lies not so much in damaging the Watchtower, but in protecting the children. If Mr. Potato filed a claim whose end results were that children would be safer than they were, how could anyone be upset? And, also, if a religious persuasion is persuaded that on no grounds can it deem itself to be above the law of Caesar, that would be the icing on the cake. It would help bring an end to misery such as that on the Yearning For Zion ranch.
