the sunday drama at the dc was a parallel ancient (joseph in egypt) and modern (jw kid in high school) drama.
or was it extremely eroticized?
i've been seeing these my whole life and have never felt this way.. conversation between joseph and fellow prison inmate:.
I think its not just that they were saying sex over and over but that they were so stoic about it. Just a few realistic euphamisms or something would be nice.
Imagine hearing at the DC: "Yo, did you bang Jessica? Thats what she posted on the Internet?"
you no longer believed that the watchtower organization was the truth, and that you were no longer going to go to the meetings or service?.
and a followup question... what was the response?.
siam,
I might be tempted to not tell her this. If she already is waking up and can't cut ties (yet) its only a matter of time before it becomes intolerable and she'll want to be away from it as much as you do. By drawing a line in the sand, you'll have it become a whole you-vs.-congregation battle as they, like someone else said, really put pressure on her. They'll demonize you and make it personal and difficult for her.
I would say, if you think that in 6 months time (or some interval of time) that you can both agree to slip away together, it would be the safest way to go. I'm not sure
been sick all week and for the first time i had jw's visit me since i left (actually the second time, but the first time it was just two people who asked "are you turkish" and left when i said no lol.
very strange).
anyway, since i had no voice and little strength i just let them go through their presentation with a smile, took the mags, and that was it.
Been sick all week and for the first time I had JW's visit me since I left (actually the second time, but the first time it was just two people who asked "Are you Turkish" and left when I said no lol. Very strange). Anyway, since I had no voice and little strength I just let them go through their presentation with a smile, took the mags, and that was it. Looking forward to their return.
Well, not sure I can really debate them anyway. They seemed like some sweet old men. Not sure I'd want to burst their bubble anyway.
i mean the above question out of sincerity and honesty and not trying to belittle anyones beliefs or lack there of.. my point is if armageddon don't happen or the rapture within the next 1000 years or so, how long will man keep holding out hope for a divine being, whether it be jesus, jehovah, allah or "fill in the blank" to come and solve all the problems?.
do you feel that there is a timetable of any sort?.
if god hasn't manifested himself/herself/itself in say 5000 years from now to all mankind, do you think the majority at that time will still be clinging to a belief in a higher power if nothing at all has changed as far as their "appearing,coming, calling us to them etc."?.
100 years is quite short as there are still a ton of religious believers and tradition is stronger than you think. But with the recent technological advances that allow free movement of thoughts and ideas, theism will certainly be trending sharply downward over the next 1000 years, should humans make it that far. Short term, humans are in a pretty difficult position actually. Nationalism, conflict of religions, resource depletion, exponential population growth and demand, global climate change, etc are all going to be massive challenges and humans may struggle or may never get the answers so believe in God to rescue us from these dilemmas will not likely change.
Also death is a big obstacle. As long as people realize there life is about to end, they are going to look for something else.
my mother-in-law was hounding my husband the other day about our spiritual standing.
conversation led to "the light gets brighter".
he said if that is the case then maybe the light gets brighter for other religions as well.
I'd say that I'm going to wait for the light to finish up already and then believe it when its done. The intermediary steps are just plain confusing.
i stopped being a jw altogether when i went into college and took philosophy classes and started thinking for myself.
i understand a lot of you former jw's are still theists, in fact it seems probably the majority of you are.
i am agnostic, meaning i don't feel there is enough evidence for against either cause to subscribe my lifestyle to one belief.. .
So my faith was finally CONFIRMED by the more direct interaction. Little did I know this would lead to my being chosen as the physical identity of Christ at the second coming. Of course, after that, God could hardly remain in the shadows, so I got a chance to have a personal interview with Jehovah.
If you wouldn't mind, in your next chat tell him to give me a buzz. He has my number. Thanks
i stopped being a jw altogether when i went into college and took philosophy classes and started thinking for myself.
i understand a lot of you former jw's are still theists, in fact it seems probably the majority of you are.
i am agnostic, meaning i don't feel there is enough evidence for against either cause to subscribe my lifestyle to one belief.. .
to CP:
Well I (or they) may not accept that "God : Man :: Man : Ant" first of all
More importantly, ant hills are pretty complicated structures with pathways, rooms, etc etc. Quite honestly if the wind just blew a ant hill with all those details together by one chance blow, well then I'd be pretty impressed. And if the wind would not randomly blow together such a compound then the argument falls apart (and actually backfires).
i stopped being a jw altogether when i went into college and took philosophy classes and started thinking for myself.
i understand a lot of you former jw's are still theists, in fact it seems probably the majority of you are.
i am agnostic, meaning i don't feel there is enough evidence for against either cause to subscribe my lifestyle to one belief.. .
If you just want to get a conversation going, I think they're fine. Its just that anyone who is well-versed in logic or debate would cut right through you with those.
i stopped being a jw altogether when i went into college and took philosophy classes and started thinking for myself.
i understand a lot of you former jw's are still theists, in fact it seems probably the majority of you are.
i am agnostic, meaning i don't feel there is enough evidence for against either cause to subscribe my lifestyle to one belief.. .
Eh, the first one doesn't really work. I think the illustration is a non-sequitur. It may or may not be valid to compare those two scenerios.
The second line of argument works better but by itself doesn't really lead you to any useful conclusion because at best you will both accept that you are choosing one of two paradoxes as the most likely solution.
when's the last time you prayed to god?
did he respond?
i prayed to him for years and years and received no response.
It was Epicurus
