i found this quote from the 12/15/12 p.29 study edition of the watchtower to be hilarious:.
"a college graduate in the united states.
says: i spent 18 years speaking and writing.
Its almost hard to believe this is actually written in the WT. But not as hard to believe as masturbating signers so whatever.
But this sentence in particular I find ridiculous: "I spent 18 years speaking and writing in the abstract language of higher education." WTF is the abstract language of higher education??? Who says things like that?
as some of you have noticed the asl video warning against masturbation (another guilt trip) is creating waves.
this is not small fry.
1. it is humorous - most topics (like other policies) are serious/depressing (blood, shunning, pedos).
Billy...
I just wanted to say that you're just dominating this 'debate'.
as some of you have noticed the asl video warning against masturbation (another guilt trip) is creating waves.
this is not small fry.
1. it is humorous - most topics (like other policies) are serious/depressing (blood, shunning, pedos).
Did you NOT read the legal agreement (like so many don't, in a rush to download the vid)? You apparently didn't read the 'click-wrap' EULA, but the fact remains that it IS a legally-binding document, as click-wraps have repeatedly been upheld in court to constitute valid and enforceable legal contracts.
Second, claiming innocence based on a lack of password-protection on their site is goofy: that's not relevant.
Its not at all relevant to me because I don't post any material. I just view them, as do thousands upon thousands of people.
What you're saying is equivalent to something like people should not be expected to speed on highways because there are laws and it should be fine to build a curve in a highway that is only safe at 55 mph because everyone will be obeying the speed limit. Well we know that is not that case. People will speed and that curve will not be safe.
If you upload something to the internet, it will be copied and shared and passed around and viewed by as many people see fit to view it because MANY people don't know or care about the copyright laws. So yes, WT should know better than to post a video that, to 99% of the outside world (and probably 90% of the JW world), looks absolutely absurd, comical, inappropriate for children, and/or vulgar. Laws are nice but in the Internet, things spread illegally no matter what. Haven't they themselves cautioned this for years? Answer: yes.
as some of you have noticed the asl video warning against masturbation (another guilt trip) is creating waves.
this is not small fry.
1. it is humorous - most topics (like other policies) are serious/depressing (blood, shunning, pedos).
Also for all, please be aware: this isnt 'deaf only'! This is for every JW world wide. Its been in the YPA book for decades and in the "Youth" book for decades before that. Its a gross invasion of the privacy and rights of familys to handle these things as they see fit and an examplemof cult like control trying to be exgerted. Its funny because (in a juvinile locker room way) of the way this language was used to express it, but lets not loose sight of the big picture.
Exactly, that nature of the ASL presentation of the material just exemplifies more vividly how inappropriate and controlling this message is in ANY FORMAT.
as some of you have noticed the asl video warning against masturbation (another guilt trip) is creating waves.
this is not small fry.
1. it is humorous - most topics (like other policies) are serious/depressing (blood, shunning, pedos).
WHO exactly posted it on YouTube for all the World to see? It wasn't WT. Try again....
This is just flat out wrong.
What does the WT always say and warn against regarding things like Facebook? Once you upload something to the Internet it is there forever. Don't upload anything to the Internet you don't want to be seen and shared. Don't they repeatedly hammer this point in about the dangers of the Internet? And, in giving this strong admonition, they are talking about uploading to places that are restricted sites (i.e., a private social media account). This video upload was NOT password protected, NOT account protected, did NOT require a log-in, NOTHING. This video was not only made public by the WT, it was POSTED AS PUBLICLY AS ANYTHING POSSIBLY CAN BE.
I understand you're sensitive to ASL being the subject of (or vehicle for) ridicule. But you need to take a step back and be objective because the post you made in response to me was entirely irrational. You've made some valid points in this thread, but now you're just arguing for arguments sake against anyone because of your personal sensibilities to this subject.
as some of you have noticed the asl video warning against masturbation (another guilt trip) is creating waves.
this is not small fry.
1. it is humorous - most topics (like other policies) are serious/depressing (blood, shunning, pedos).
You and many others must've missed it, as this was discussed about 5 days ago by those with actual experience in ASL (being interpreters, like moderator Lady Lee, or those who actually are hearing-impaired, like posters jeanpicard, MC Mallet, LAMallcool). Unfortunately, those posters' comments have been shouted down by people with their agenda and ignorance: THEIR voices, which is sad.
I have read a lot on this issue and I feel this way:
Even if:
1) The signers in this video are using valid ASL (which I think we all agree they are)
AND
2) Even if he signers are using signs commonplace and acceptable in the ASL community (which I have read actual ASL and deaf people say mixed things about, probably more that this is the common signs but certainly not all have said that)
AND
3) Even if the signers are using signs commonplace and acceptable in a church with small children (which is nearly impossible for me to believe)
Even if all those were true, this video still had to pass by and get approved by dozens of people, from cameramen to producers to programmers to website people to the webmaster to those people's overseers. I presume these people weren't all ASL or deaf. Didn't one of them raise the question "We're putting this on our public webpage? That shit's unacceptable."
And I'm not saying it is unacceptable because I am ignorant of ASL. I find it unacceptable to be having graphically worded talks and WT studies about oral sex, anal sex, masturbation, homosexual intercourse, manipulation of the genitila, etc when there are young children of all ages present. But words on a page are not buzz worthy, and so are confined to within the group (just as are these graphic gestures in the ASL community if in fact they are commonplace to use). But when you put this thing up publicly, I mean it is just asking for trouble. How can they not see this would be a ridiculous mistake. It just so graphically illustrates the written and oral mistake of talking about these topics to the entire non-ASL public and just underscores their ridiculousness in video format for all to see.
one of my strangest memories of going to the kh was when a young- maybe 18-20, pimply young man got up to talk about jhvhs view of masturbation during a service meeting.. of course, it was impossible to think about him not masturbating.
i was just hitting puberty and found the whole thing very uncomfortable- i think my dad was even critiquing him (what is that called when elder gives the feedback).
looking back now i can see that to publicly condemn masturbation, especially when a young man is delivering this admonition, is- well- hilarious.
Yep rebel8.... I felt guilty because of these talks even when I was too young to do it (or know exactly what it was. Just figured I probably was). That's sad.
...and they're clearly in the mood for pushing it on youtube.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lerx3gkthxk.
what is it with all these random youtube channels, each showing polished and highly-produced videos.
Love how the bro is clean shaven even in 1879!
i bought the book for a number of reasons:.
1. it sounds brill.. 2. it sounds like the kind of people who read are rather clever and well educated (and i want to be one of them).. 3. i may find it interesting how it relates to the jws.. regarding the latter, does anyone have any thoughts and feeling on this point, or is there anything i should look out for when comparing what orwell writes about with the jws?.
timmy :).
2. It sounds like the kind of people who read are rather clever and well educated (and I want to be one of them).
You should read the Gallant Gallstone too
one of my strangest memories of going to the kh was when a young- maybe 18-20, pimply young man got up to talk about jhvhs view of masturbation during a service meeting.. of course, it was impossible to think about him not masturbating.
i was just hitting puberty and found the whole thing very uncomfortable- i think my dad was even critiquing him (what is that called when elder gives the feedback).
looking back now i can see that to publicly condemn masturbation, especially when a young man is delivering this admonition, is- well- hilarious.
Ours honestly weren't too bad... the speaker said if the talk's material was too hard on us, we could rub on the spiritual eye salve to smooth things over
